Conflicted... part of me thinks this would be hilarious, the other part thinks "be careful what you wish for"... he couldn't win, could he?FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:16 pmThere are some rather feverish rumours that Boris may try to start a new political party which rabid right-wingers think would be popular, but surely would split the vote on the right and be quite funny.
Johnson - goodbye, or au revoir?
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You can't polish a turd...
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
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It'd split the right wing donors and papers as well - there's the sensible conservative papers and donors that want stability for their investments that won't follow him, and populist tabloids and asset stripping blow everything up donors that will.TopBadger wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:36 pmConflicted... part of me thinks this would be hilarious, the other part thinks "be careful what you wish for"... he couldn't win, could he?FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:16 pmThere are some rather feverish rumours that Boris may try to start a new political party which rabid right-wingers think would be popular, but surely would split the vote on the right and be quite funny.
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I don't think there are any sensible conservative papers these days. The Times used to be less barking than the rest, but has recently fully embraced the headbangers.
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Dorries has absolutely outdone herself. Retiring, not retiring and now demanding to be able to carry out an inquiry into why she didn't get a peerage before she will resign.
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And now begins Boris taking everyone down with him.
Also - I'm slightly surprised Dorries' constituents haven't started a petition for a recall. It's plain she couldn't give a toss about representing them.
Also - I'm slightly surprised Dorries' constituents haven't started a petition for a recall. It's plain she couldn't give a toss about representing them.
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That's huge. Given 10 days was enough to trigger a potential recall/byelection. No Member's pass either, which prevents him coming back in for 'lunches' etc
I'm not afraid of catching Covid, I'm afraid of catching idiot.
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God this is like crack to me
If truth is many-sided, mendacity is many-tongued
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No members pass is their recommendation, is it the Speaker who actually decides?science_fox wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:22 amThat's huge. Given 10 days was enough to trigger a potential recall/byelection. No Member's pass either, which prevents him coming back in for 'lunches' etc
where once I used to scintillate
now I sin till ten past three
now I sin till ten past three
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The Commons could just "note" the findings, which would not lead to removal of the pass.
The Commons needs to approve the findings for this punishment to apply.
The Commons needs to approve the findings for this punishment to apply.
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Haven't they said they are not going to go down the "note finding" route?
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I still want to know how the ABBA party wasn't investigated properly.
That was the the most flagrant breach.
And somehow no FPN nor in the Sue Gray report.
That was the the most flagrant breach.
And somehow no FPN nor in the Sue Gray report.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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"In its report, the committee accused Mr Johnson of being "complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee.""
According to the ABC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-15/ ... /102485740
I know politics has become irretrievably cynical, but surely this matters to parliamentarians?
According to the ABC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-15/ ... /102485740
I know politics has become irretrievably cynical, but surely this matters to parliamentarians?
Here grows much rhubarb.
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Bernard Jenkin's wife's birthday party was better than mine, WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
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I love that the initial recommendation was only going to be for a suspension of "more than 10 days", just enough to trigger things, but Johnson's behaviour after seeing the draft made them push that up to 90 days.
If the no pass recommendation is implemented, that will really piss him off. Please please let that happen.
If the no pass recommendation is implemented, that will really piss him off. Please please let that happen.
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But who could have predicted that Johnson would trash the Tory party as well as the country?
Well apart from anyone who had looked at his performance?
I did just check and found I was saying immediately after the general election that he was going to crash and burn and shortly afterwards that if anyone could trash a massive majority, it would be him. Of course I hadn't envisioned Truss at that time.
Well apart from anyone who had looked at his performance?
I did just check and found I was saying immediately after the general election that he was going to crash and burn and shortly afterwards that if anyone could trash a massive majority, it would be him. Of course I hadn't envisioned Truss at that time.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Boris seems to have forgotten about the Russia Report and people who know about his relationship with Lebedev.
I really hope someone decides to spill the beans on his dodgy dealings with Russians and his attendance at parties without his security detail when he was Foreign Sec.
I really hope someone decides to spill the beans on his dodgy dealings with Russians and his attendance at parties without his security detail when he was Foreign Sec.
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I'm enjoying International Comeuppance Week.
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It might well last for longer than a week.
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Without the protection of being a member, Johnson can now be called a liar in Parliament:
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1 ... 8072866818
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1 ... 8072866818
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No doubt the Speaker will be apologising to Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford promptly.
Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.
Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.
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Exactly.Sciolus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:59 pmNo doubt the Speaker will be apologising to Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford promptly.
Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.
The speaker needs to accept that there is such a thing as objective truth, and when it is clear that an MP is lying, allow that to be stated without sanction.
It is not civilised to use forms of words to pretend that all MPs are honourable in those situations when it is beyond reasonable doubt that a specific MP has lied.
But maybe the Speaker has got bogged down in some POMO b.llsh.t?
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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The speaker is bound to judge things by the rules of the house, which are decided upon by MPs. He doesn't just make things up. The things which are unparliamentary language are very clear, and if MPs feel it needs an update, they can do just that. Until then, he's going to keep on enforcing the rules as they exist today.
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No doubt the Taxpayers' Alliance will be issuing a comprehensive and excoriating criticism of the government's decision to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayers' money on the liar's lawyersSciolus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:59 pmNo doubt the Speaker will be apologising to Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford promptly.
Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.
Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!