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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:46 pm

Interesting thread and video

Anyone got any thoughts on this? There was obviously an authentic assassination attempt on Trump but the whole theatre with the pad on his ear but no stitches narrative doesn’t seem to fit a bullet graze. It doesn’t seem far fetched that one of the eight shots could have caused some flying debris. Or has Twitter turned me into a Truther?

https://x.com/iamoddman/status/1815332459237535869?s=6
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by lpm » Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:03 pm

What is the size of the bullet?

That video has the entire bullet hitting an ear. We need to see the 1 mm edge of a bullet hitting the 1 mm edge of an ear.
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Martin Y » Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:03 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:46 pm
Interesting thread and video

Anyone got any thoughts on this? There was obviously an authentic assassination attempt on Trump but the whole theatre with the pad on his ear but no stitches narrative doesn’t seem to fit a bullet graze. It doesn’t seem far fetched that one of the eight shots could have caused some flying debris. Or has Twitter turned me into a Truther?

https://x.com/iamoddman/status/1815332459237535869?s=6
(I admit I only got as far as "At the end of this video you'll see..." and lost the will to sit through it. )

Did you see the press photo that caught what appears to be the bullet as a silvery streak a couple of feet long, just after it passed Trump's head? That was pretty clearly travelling in the direction the shooter fired and not likely to be any piece of flying debris created by something a bullet struck.

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:28 am

Martin Y wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:03 am
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:46 pm
Interesting thread and video

Anyone got any thoughts on this? There was obviously an authentic assassination attempt on Trump but the whole theatre with the pad on his ear but no stitches narrative doesn’t seem to fit a bullet graze. It doesn’t seem far fetched that one of the eight shots could have caused some flying debris. Or has Twitter turned me into a Truther?

https://x.com/iamoddman/status/1815332459237535869?s=6
(I admit I only got as far as "At the end of this video you'll see..." and lost the will to sit through it. )

Did you see the press photo that caught what appears to be the bullet as a silvery streak a couple of feet long, just after it passed Trump's head? That was pretty clearly travelling in the direction the shooter fired and not likely to be any piece of flying debris created by something a bullet struck.
<nerd> The photograph wasn’t of the bullet but of a momentary vapour trail left by the bullet. </nerd>

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:18 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:46 pm
Interesting thread and video

Anyone got any thoughts on this? There was obviously an authentic assassination attempt on Trump but the whole theatre with the pad on his ear but no stitches narrative doesn’t seem to fit a bullet graze. It doesn’t seem far fetched that one of the eight shots could have caused some flying debris. Or has Twitter turned me into a Truther?

https://x.com/iamoddman/status/1815332459237535869?s=6
You can see photographs of the injury to Trump’s ear that were taken just after the shooting:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29204566/ ... e-updates/
(Apologies, it’s the best image that Google found)

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/trump-as ... s-13183324

There appear to be two small nicks at the front and back of his ear near the top. That’s consistent with a bullet just grazing him.

The video shows a bullet hitting the centre of his ear. Of course it does far more damage.

Also, if the injury was caused be a shard of glass, what happened to the other shards? Why don’t we see any other injuries? Why do we have a photograph of the vapour trail left by the bullet but no pictures of flying shards of glass?

It’s possible that a shard caused the injury, but the parsimonious explanation that fits with the evidence is that Trump was injured by a bullet.

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:23 am

Martin Y wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:03 am
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:46 pm
Interesting thread and video

Anyone got any thoughts on this? There was obviously an authentic assassination attempt on Trump but the whole theatre with the pad on his ear but no stitches narrative doesn’t seem to fit a bullet graze. It doesn’t seem far fetched that one of the eight shots could have caused some flying debris. Or has Twitter turned me into a Truther?

https://x.com/iamoddman/status/1815332459237535869?s=6
(I admit I only got as far as "At the end of this video you'll see..." and lost the will to sit through it. )

Did you see the press photo that caught what appears to be the bullet as a silvery streak a couple of feet long, just after it passed Trump's head? That was pretty clearly travelling in the direction the shooter fired and not likely to be any piece of flying debris created by something a bullet struck.
Yeah but there were eight shots fired. I’m not making a big issue of this but Trump is obviously milking this for all it’s worth (I don’t believe for one second a non stitch injury required a pad of that size for a week) and there’s been no official medical report which seems strange. Debris didn’t seem a totally out of left field but I’m happy to accept that it was a bullet for all the strangeness.
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:24 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:18 am
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:46 pm
Interesting thread and video

Anyone got any thoughts on this? There was obviously an authentic assassination attempt on Trump but the whole theatre with the pad on his ear but no stitches narrative doesn’t seem to fit a bullet graze. It doesn’t seem far fetched that one of the eight shots could have caused some flying debris. Or has Twitter turned me into a Truther?

https://x.com/iamoddman/status/1815332459237535869?s=6
You can see photographs of the injury to Trump’s ear that were taken just after the shooting:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29204566/ ... e-updates/
(Apologies, it’s the best image that Google found)

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/trump-as ... s-13183324

There appear to be two small nicks at the front and back of his ear near the top. That’s consistent with a bullet just grazing him.

The video shows a bullet hitting the centre of his ear. Of course it does far more damage.

Also, if the injury was caused be a shard of glass, what happened to the other shards? Why don’t we see any other injuries? Why do we have a photograph of the vapour trail left by the bullet but no pictures of flying shards of glass?

It’s possible that a shard caused the injury, but the parsimonious explanation that fits with the evidence is that Trump was injured by a bullet.
Yeah fair enough. Occam’s Razor and all that.
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Martin Y » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:51 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:28 am
<nerd> The photograph wasn’t of the bullet but of a momentary vapour trail left by the bullet. </nerd>
<conspiracits> OMG they're trying to poison him with chemtrails </conspiracist>

Ta. Anyway, the streak does appear to point directly back toward the shooter, which seems to preclude its being the path of anything that came off an object struck by a bullet as there wasn't anything in line with that (except Trump himself).

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Boustrophedon » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:59 am

It is such a shame it wasn't the tip of his penis that was hit, the thought of all his supporters with dressings on their crotches is just too delicious.
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Tessa K » Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:33 am

Boustrophedon wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:59 am
It is such a shame it wasn't the tip of his penis that was hit, the thought of all his supporters with dressings on their crotches is just too delicious.
Isn't that where his brain is?

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:47 pm

Secret Service director resigns. I have a Washington Post subscription so this link should get you past the paywall - please let me know if it doesn’t.

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by jaap » Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:40 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:47 pm
Secret Service director resigns. I have a Washington Post subscription so this link should get you past the paywall - please let me know if it doesn’t.

https://wapo.st/46iGyp1
It is still paywalled. That probably does not depend on the link, but on the cookies or other info stored in the browser.

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:08 pm

jaap wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:40 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:47 pm
Secret Service director resigns. I have a Washington Post subscription so this link should get you past the paywall - please let me know if it doesn’t.

https://wapo.st/46iGyp1
It is still paywalled. That probably does not depend on the link, but on the cookies or other info stored in the browser.
Bugger. Well I tried.

ETA I can apparently gift articles and when I clicked on the gift icon it gave me the opportunity to copy the link
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by jaap » Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:27 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:08 pm
jaap wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:40 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:47 pm
Secret Service director resigns. I have a Washington Post subscription so this link should get you past the paywall - please let me know if it doesn’t.

https://wapo.st/46iGyp1
It is still paywalled. That probably does not depend on the link, but on the cookies or other info stored in the browser.
Bugger. Well I tried.

ETA I can apparently gift articles and when I clicked on the gift icon it gave me the opportunity to copy the link
Oh, looking more closely at the pop-up screen, it does say you gifted the article, but that I need to create a WaPo account to access this free article.

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by lpm » Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 am

Seems like all Americans are shooting at ears. New hobby for them.

This bloke says bullets just punch holes in ears. Sounds plausible, only trivial energy gets transfered from bullet to ear.

https://youtu.be/zfATfPIpDc4
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:34 am

lpm wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 am
Seems like all Americans are shooting at ears. New hobby for them.

This bloke says bullets just punch holes in ears. Sounds plausible, only trivial energy gets transfered from bullet to ear.

https://youtu.be/zfATfPIpDc4
Oh I wasn’t expecting the ear to explode or anything but it does emphasise just how luck Trump was. And also how lucky we were because with a bit of luck we will now have a chance to see Trump beaten by a black female prosecutor. Again.
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Post by dyqik » Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:14 am

lpm wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 am
Seems like all Americans are shooting at ears. New hobby for them.

This bloke says bullets just punch holes in ears. Sounds plausible, only trivial energy gets transfered from bullet to ear.

https://youtu.be/zfATfPIpDc4
I think any vaguely knowledgeable worry (if there was any) was about the shock wave associated with bullets flight.

At long range, that's not really an issue, but close to the gun, it can be. It's why blanks can injure and kill.

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:10 am

Christopher Wray spices up the bullet/debris conspiracy theories a bit

https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/18 ... 95670?s=61
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by lpm » Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:40 am

That does change things a bit.

If it was something else then there must be a damaged object somewhere along the roof-to-Trump route. There was a teleprompter but it was still intact afterwards. Seems fairly easy for the FBI to examine the scene and notice an object that's been grazed by a passing bullet.

Looking at the layout, only the teleprompter is a plausible candidate.

Google says they are glass. Carefully made to reflect the text for the speaker but transparent for other directions - coated with "vapor-deposited metal or dielectric material". Surely glass shatters, even if just grazed? It doesn't sound like a perspex or plastic that would be punched through like cardboard.

Let's see the teleprompter please Mr FBI man.
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Post by dyqik » Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:53 am

lpm wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:40 am
That does change things a bit.

If it was something else then there must be a damaged object somewhere along the roof-to-Trump route. There was a teleprompter but it was still intact afterwards. Seems fairly easy for the FBI to examine the scene and notice an object that's been grazed by a passing bullet.

Looking at the layout, only the teleprompter is a plausible candidate.

Google says they are glass. Carefully made to reflect the text for the speaker but transparent for other directions - coated with "vapor-deposited metal or dielectric material". Surely glass shatters, even if just grazed? It doesn't sound like a perspex or plastic that would be punched through like cardboard.

Let's see the teleprompter please Mr FBI man.
Glass can chip rather than shatter. I've heard that there's a couple of bullets embedded in the primary mirror of a telescope in Texas where one of the operators got pissed off...

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by lpm » Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:36 am

dyqik wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:53 am
lpm wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:40 am
That does change things a bit.

If it was something else then there must be a damaged object somewhere along the roof-to-Trump route. There was a teleprompter but it was still intact afterwards. Seems fairly easy for the FBI to examine the scene and notice an object that's been grazed by a passing bullet.

Looking at the layout, only the teleprompter is a plausible candidate.

Google says they are glass. Carefully made to reflect the text for the speaker but transparent for other directions - coated with "vapor-deposited metal or dielectric material". Surely glass shatters, even if just grazed? It doesn't sound like a perspex or plastic that would be punched through like cardboard.

Let's see the teleprompter please Mr FBI man.
Glass can chip rather than shatter. I've heard that there's a couple of bullets embedded in the primary mirror of a telescope in Texas where one of the operators got pissed off...
Let's see the YouTubes. Americans like shooting things. Someone will buy a teleprompter screen, then bore us with talk about his type of gun and ammo, then finally get to the shooting bit.

Let's see if the screen shatters or just has a hole. Put some dummies or MAGA morons around it to see if any glass carries and what sort of damage results.
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Gfamily » Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:02 pm

Bullet or glass, it doesn't really amount to anything. There was an attempt, it's been milked, MAGA fans will think what they think.
I don't know anyone will change their voting intentions specifically because it turns out it was a splinter of glass or whatever, rather than the bullet.
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

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Gfamily wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:02 pm
Bullet or glass, it doesn't really amount to anything. There was an attempt, it's been milked, MAGA fans will think what they think.
I don't know anyone will change their voting intentions specifically because it turns out it was a splinter of glass or whatever, rather than the bullet.
Nobody hare has suggested it would. It’s been mentioned incidentally as yet another sign of how Trump hijacks the narrative
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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Woodchopper » Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:52 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:10 am
Christopher Wray spices up the bullet/debris conspiracy theories a bit

https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/18 ... 95670?s=61
He says that it’s conceivable that Trump was hit by some shrapnel. Which is correct. It’ll be more interesting if there is some evidence.

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Re: Trump Assassination Attempt

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:58 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:52 am
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:10 am
Christopher Wray spices up the bullet/debris conspiracy theories a bit

https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/18 ... 95670?s=61
He says that it’s conceivable that Trump was hit by some shrapnel. Which is correct. It’ll be more interesting if there is some evidence.
Yeah I know. I watched the clip.
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