Did Gaza ceasefire vote get Jess Phillips preferential NHS treatment?

[Tristan]

She seems to think it did: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... llips.html

Yes it’s the Daily Mail, so pinch of salt needed, but…

If true then the doctor(s) involved need investigating and potentially disciplining. Whether true or not I can’t fathom why Phillips would be public about it.

[Tristan]

Gah. Phone added a random “be” to the title

[bob sterman]

I'm calling BS (and I don't mean the name of that other place).

Doctors don't work the reception desk or triage. By the time you see a doctor you have already done the main queuing. It is doctors who people are queuing to see.

However, blue lips and breathing difficulties at triage will get you to the front of the queue.

[Tristan]

But Jess seems to be making an accusation of it (without realising she is). She should be calling for the doctor involved to be investigated. Why isn’t she?

[monkey]

He was sort of like, "I like you. You voted for a ceasefire". [Because of that] I got through quicker.

I am always suspicious of square quotes.

And when quotes are chopped up so you can't tell if there was extra stuff there changing the context.

And the Daily Mail.

And Jess Phillips.

[Tristan]

Here’s a clip of her saying something very similar: https://x.com/lmharpin/status/182953382 ... iksLglQFYQ

What is beyond doubt is that she thinks she got through quicker because of who she is. She also references the doctor liking her because of the ceasefire vote and then repeats that she got through quicker.

It’s a ridiculously dumb thing for her to say and if there’s a grain of truth to it it should be investigated.

[Sciolus]

Clearly, it needs to be investigated, because all the investigations into the Mail's previous slurs on a senior female Labour MP have finally ground to a halt after finding no evidence of wrong-doing, so we need a new story for the Mail to focus its outrage around.

This is desperate stuff.

[Tristan]

Clearly, it needs to be investigated, because all the investigations into the Mail's previous slurs on a senior female Labour MP have finally ground to a halt after finding no evidence of wrong-doing, so we need a new story for the Mail to focus its outrage around.

This is desperate stuff.

She either lied or got preferential treatment for being who she is and likely for voting in a particular way. These are her own words. You don’t see any problem with this?

[Woodchopper]

Here’s a clip of her saying something very similar: https://x.com/lmharpin/status/182953382 ... iksLglQFYQ

What is beyond doubt is that she thinks she got through quicker because of who she is. She also references the doctor liking her because of the ceasefire vote and then repeats that she got through quicker.

It’s a ridiculously dumb thing for her to say and if there’s a grain of truth to it it should be investigated.

In that clip she first says that she inevitably got seen quicker because of who she is. That doesn't imply that she did anything wrong. Seems to be an awareness that high profile and powerful people are treated differently. It would be a serious matter if she had asked for and received special treatment, but that isn't mentioned.

Of course it would be better if celebrities didn't get better treatment, but this seems to be a general human failure. There's no sign that someone else got worse treatment (beyond perhaps waiting longer).

Next she says that the doctor was friendly when she got to see him. Likewise, that's how people behave toward celebrities. In that clip she doesn't claim that she got preferential treatment beyond a more friendly bedside manner.

I think she comes across as someone who has enough self awareness to know that her profile will inevitably mean that she's treated differently. I'd find it more concerning if a senior politician believed that they could ever be treated the same as everyone else. That would make it harder for them to be aware of the problems faced by everyone else.

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[El Pollo Diablo]

I've fixed the thread title

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Fixed to “Tristan Mail b.llsh.t” ?

[Martin Y]

She either lied or got preferential treatment

Or only imagines she got preferential treatment. Or got a bit more attentive service than your average punter but only for being "somebody" and not for the particular reasons she imagines.

I mean, we could have a public inquiry to investigate the NHS for corruption and politically motivated bias and if we fail to find it castigate Phillips for wilfully lying about NHS corruption and politically motivated bias. Or we could shrug and not let the Mail's twisted facsimile of reality live in our heads.

[Bewildered]

Here’s a clip of her saying something very similar: https://x.com/lmharpin/status/182953382 ... iksLglQFYQ

What is beyond doubt is that she thinks she got through quicker because of who she is. She also references the doctor liking her because of the ceasefire vote and then repeats that she got through quicker.

It’s a ridiculously dumb thing for her to say and if there’s a grain of truth to it it should be investigated.

In that clip she first says that she inevitably got seen quicker because of who she is. That doesn't imply that she did anything wrong. Seems to be an awareness that high profile and powerful people are treated differently. It would be a serious matter if she had asked for and received special treatment, but that isn't mentioned.

Of course it would be better if celebrities didn't get better treatment, but this seems to be a general human failure. There's no sign that someone else got worse treatment (beyond perhaps waiting longer).

Next she says that the doctor was friendly when she got to see him. Likewise, that's how people behave toward celebrities. In that clip she doesn't claim that she got preferential treatment beyond a more friendly bedside manner.

I think she comes across as someone who has enough self awareness to know that her profile will inevitably mean that she's treated differently. I'd find it more concerning if a senior politician believed that they could ever be treated the same as everyone else. That would make it harder for them to be aware of the problems faced by everyone else.

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Yes these recorded comments are similar but crucially different such that what she says here is not in anyway problematic as far as I can tell. It seems quite plausible that this is all she said at the event the daily Mail quotes her from.


By the way I am finding this two-tier Kier stuff spouted at the start of that article quite worrying. It is unfortunately catchy and conveys a very simple message of double standard that people may believe, but is vague enough that it can be imagined to refer to me at different things or give plausible deniability as to the mean when it is really fundamentally rooted in racism and bigotry. At least my understanding is it has come from claims that racist thugs in the riots are somehow being treated worse than asylum seekers, when I am pretty sure it’s asylum seekers and minority groups who have faced discrimination.

[Tristan]

Fixed to “Tristan Mail b.llsh.t” ?

So witty you had to post it twice

[Sciolus]

She either lied or got preferential treatment

Or only imagines she got preferential treatment.

I'm not sure how you would know you had preferential treatment unless someone actually said that's what they're doing. I mean, my impression is that the NHS is massively overworked* and GP appointments are like hens' teeth, but when I had a minor issue recently I saw the GP the same day, she spent plenty of time on me, and likewise at the followup hospital visit. So if I were a sleb, I might chalk up my good experience to favouritism; but I'm not so it's due to quality staff acting professionally.

*Knowing several NHS workers, this is definitely true.

[Tristan]

By the way I am finding this two-tier Kier stuff spouted at the start of that article quite worrying. It is unfortunately catchy and conveys a very simple message of double standard that people may believe

Exactly. Which is why it’s such a dumb thing for her to say, whether there’s substance to it, she made it up, or she imagined it.

[sTeamTraen]

I don't know what this affects either way, but Jess Phillips's mother was someone quite big in NHS admin in the Birmingham area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Phillips). So JP herself quite likely has more contacts in that system than even the average MP-of-9-years-standing.

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Fixed to “Tristan Mail b.llsh.t” ?

So witty you had to post it twice

Yes

[noggins]

Fixed to “Tristan Mail b.llsh.t” ?

So witty you had to post it twice

Yes

[Grumble]

By the way I am finding this two-tier Kier stuff spouted at the start of that article quite worrying. It is unfortunately catchy and conveys a very simple message of double standard that people may believe

Exactly. Which is why it’s such a dumb thing for her to say, whether there’s substance to it, she made it up, or she imagined it.

Is it dumb if she said something that the Mail have twisted in the way they often do?

[Tristan]

By the way I am finding this two-tier Kier stuff spouted at the start of that article quite worrying. It is unfortunately catchy and conveys a very simple message of double standard that people may believe

Exactly. Which is why it’s such a dumb thing for her to say, whether there’s substance to it, she made it up, or she imagined it.

Is it dumb if she said something that the Mail have twisted in the way they often do?

There’s the recording I posted above. She said what she said. It was a dumb thing to do.

[discovolante]

On the two-tier NHS thing:

Ethnic Inequalities in Healthcare: A Rapid Evidence Review

A few snippets from the summary, and mostly disregarding the examples listed where people from ethnic minority backgrounds are less likely to seek healthcare due to (entirely justified, it seems) mistrust:

Mental health

• ethnic minority groups were less likely to refer themselves to IAPT and less likely to be referred by their GPs.
• ethnic minority people with psychosis less likely to be referred for CBT, and less likely to attend as many sessions as their White counterparts.
• The review provided strong evidence of clear, very large and persisting ethnic inequalities in compulsory admission to psychiatric wards, particularly affecting Black groups, but also Mixed Black & White groups and South Asian groups.
• There was also evidence of harsher treatment for Black groups in inpatients wards, e.g., more likely to be restrained in the prone position or put into seclusion.

Maternal and neonatal care

• For women without English language skills, the lack of accessible and high quality interpreting services seems to be a common issue.
• A consistent theme was women’s experiences of negative interactions, stereotyping, disrespect, discrimination and cultural insensitivity.
• We only identified one study that focused on ethnic inequalities in specific aspects of care of the newborn. This study showed that Asian babies were overrepresented in admissions to neonatal units for jaundice.

NHS Workforce

• Two large studies showed that Covid-19 infection was higher in ethnic minority staff in the NHS, particularly for Black and Asian staff.
• The review found evidence of NHS ethnic minority staff enduring racist abuse from other staff and patients and this was particularly stark for Black groups.

To be honest what stuck out the most was the apparently paucity of research and evidence available.