Blasphemy - desecration of religious texts

[Tristan]

Yesterday Tahir Ali asked whether the government would commit to banning the desecration of religious texts and prophets of Abrahamic religions: https://x.com/TahirAliMP/status/1861765654178640014

We got rid of blasphemy laws in this country and this is an attempt to get them back on the books.

Starmer's response was weak. Why couldn't he give a firm "No it won't" ?

[IvanV]

I found a moment to listen to the recording before responding.

We already have laws against religious hate crime. So there is no need for a specific law on desecration. If desecration is a hate crime, it's already illegal. And we know how blasphemy/desecration laws can be abused. So let's just stick with the sensible law. I would doubtless have said that if I had to answer such a question.

But Starmer didn't say that. He condemned Islamophobia and desecration, which might be politically useful. Maybe it is better to keep these people onside not to actually say you won't do what they want. They probably know that hateful desecration is already illegal, and want the illiberality of the desecration law. So maybe Starmer is actually a better politician than me, in these polarised times. Right wingers might be more likely to give Ali what he wants. Better not to push him into the arms of the right wingers over one issue.

[bob sterman]

In addition to "desecration of religious texts" he also wants to prohibit "targeted vilification of all the prophets of the Abrahamic faiths."

Does this count as vilification of prophets?

[noggins]

Or

[IvanV]

Indeed. That's exactly what's wrong with specific blasphemy, desecration, vilification laws. Ali makes it look like he is asking for a law against religious hate crime, which we already have, and is hard to disagree with. But in effect in asking for those specific laws, we can surmise he might be an illiberal bigot who understands perfectly well what he is asking for. Whilst it might have been enjoyable to hear Starmer saying, in effect, shut up you illiberal bigot, maybe he did well to agree with being opposed to religious hate crime, and avoid saying that, which might not have gone down very well. The alternative would have been to say to him, I'm sure you aren't an illiberal bigot, so it would be a bad idea to have these specific laws that enable illiberal bigotry, and lets stay with the religious hate crime laws we already have, which already outlaw the things of this nature that should be outlawed.

I'm just offering this as an idea, I don't know if even I agree with it, and would be interested in other's thoughts.

[Trinucleus]

In addition to "desecration of religious texts" he also wants to prohibit "targeted vilification of all the prophets of the Abrahamic faiths."

Does this count as vilification of prophets?

No, because Brian wasn't a prophet, he was a very naughty boy

[philbo]

If you believe in an all-powerful God, why do your holy books, prophets, etc. need legal protection?

I've always seen blasphemy laws as one of the strongest bits of evidence that the sort of god the Abrahamic religions worship does not exist.

[Martin Y]

Ah, well, the Almighty was working through that lynch mob.