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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Angela Rayner
4
5%
John McDonnell
2
2%
Keir Starmer
42
51%
Rebecca Long-Bailey
8
10%
Emily Thornberry
0
No votes
Clive Lewis
1
1%
Yvette Cooper
17
21%
Laura Pidcock
1
1%
Clive Lewis
0
No votes
Tony Blair
7
9%
 
Total votes: 82

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Re: After Corbyn

Post by Gfamily » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:18 pm

Hmmm, this definitely looks like mud slinging to me

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ong-bailey

Starmer team raises questions about a RLB mailing that seems to have linked to a Labour Party contacts list
Starmer team then reported to the ICO for 'scraping' party member details.

The second part is the part that's reported to the BBC.
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Re: After Corbyn

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:31 pm

Lord Ashcroft polling and focus groups on why Labour lost
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2020/02/d ... he-coffee/

Of course he is a Tory. But his polling is usually considered to be methodologically sound, and if he's sensible Ashcroft will want to know the actual reasons why Labour lost. So I'm inclined to take it seriously.

No surprises when reading it. Lots of people who had thought of themselves as being working class lifelong Labour supporters voted Tory. Brexit was an issue, but there were many others. People felt that the party wasn't focused upon people like them and instead was fixated upon causes that they were not interested in (but were popular with students and middle class radicals).

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Re: After Corbyn

Post by TopBadger » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:19 pm

RLB has a four point plan to turn around the fortunes of the labour party
  • Get myself elected as leader
  • Get my mate elected as deputy
  • Carry on doing the same stuff as before
  • Win the next GE
Genius when you look at it... Ok, so that might not be her plan, but then:
  • Empowering members
  • A democratic revolution that boosts trade union membership
  • Scrapping the House of Lords,
  • Creating a green industrial revolution
Doesn't seem like that much better a list.
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Re: After Corbyn

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:30 pm

Yeah, it's total b.llsh.t.

They kind of need to focus on the main stuff:

Health
Education
Security
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Re: After Corbyn

Post by Woodchopper » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:11 pm

Just days ago, the deputy leadership candidate Richard Burgon, who also has the backing of McDonnell, suggested the party should print a free Labour newspaper to bypass traditional media.
I fear that might become a very boring publication.

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Re: After Corbyn

Post by Woodchopper » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:12 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:30 pm
Yeah, it's total b.llsh.t.

They kind of need to focus on the main stuff:

Health
Education
Security
And jobs

While not raising taxes paid by people who vote Labour

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Re: After Corbyn

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:11 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:11 pm
Just days ago, the deputy leadership candidate Richard Burgon, who also has the backing of McDonnell, suggested the party should print a free Labour newspaper to bypass traditional media.
I fear that might become a very boring publication.
Ooof - openly printing your own news is not a good look.

You're supposed to do it sneakily, via backroom deals and shared class interests.
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Re: After Corbyn

Post by Herainestold » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:13 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:11 pm
Woodchopper wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:11 pm
Just days ago, the deputy leadership candidate Richard Burgon, who also has the backing of McDonnell, suggested the party should print a free Labour newspaper to bypass traditional media.
I fear that might become a very boring publication.
Ooof - openly printing your own news is not a good look.

You're supposed to do it sneakily, via backroom deals and shared class interests.
Yes. Do you want power or do you want to play around the margins?

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Re: After Corbyn

Post by cvb » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:15 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... axes-study

I don't know what to think about this.

One bit in particualr.
Manifesto promises of higher taxes for millionaires and billionaires that made up a bulk of Labour’s messaging during the 2019 general election went down particularly badly. Many of those surveyed said they thought they deserved their wealth.

One woman interviewed in Wrexham said: “If you have worked hard you are entitled to it.”
I think Labour is finished if this is the general feeling of the public.

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Re: After Corbyn

Post by Woodchopper » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 am

cvb wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:15 am
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... axes-study

I don't know what to think about this.

One bit in particualr.
Manifesto promises of higher taxes for millionaires and billionaires that made up a bulk of Labour’s messaging during the 2019 general election went down particularly badly. Many of those surveyed said they thought they deserved their wealth.

One woman interviewed in Wrexham said: “If you have worked hard you are entitled to it.”
I think Labour is finished if this is the general feeling of the public.
That’s been the general view of the public for decades. When Labour politicians talk about higher taxes ordinary people assume that in the end they will be the ones to pay them.

Labour isn’t finished. But it needs a leadership that is able to persuade the electorate that it’s going to benefit from a Labour government.

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Re: After Corbyn

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:00 pm

Every single time there's an election where one party does really well, and another badly, there's always talk of "is X finished"? Sometimes, this happens before the election itself - there were various bits of talk around whether the US republicans were finished in advance of the 2016 election where they got control of all three institutions.

That talk happened after the 1997 election, and was renewed after 2001. It is very, very rarely the case.
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