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Did my voting for party leader today. Still thinking of who I should vote for deputy.

bjn wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:30 pm

Did my voting for party leader today. Still thinking of who I should vote for deputy.

I went for Allin-Khan on the grounds that Mccluskey doesn't like her.

Then Murray

Then Dawn Butler (a distant third for me)

Haven't had my voting forms yet. Hmm.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:19 am

Haven't had my voting forms yet. Hmm.

Mine came by email

Yeah, just had a look and mine did as well. In the end, I went for Starmer first over Nandy, as I reasoned that Nandy isn't going to win (she just isn't), and even though she's probably my first choice in reality, the most important thing is the message of how much Starmer wins by. I didn't vote for Why-The-Long-Bailey.

For deputy, I went for Allin-Khan first (largely because of voting for a man for leader first) and then Murray second. Rayner third, Butler fourth. Not at all for Burgon, because he's a f.cking pillock.

My ballot has yet to arrive, by email or post. I'll give it a couple of days and give them a poke. My wife has a funny forrin name and they claim they can't find her on the electoral roll, so unless she finds a polling card lying around in a pile of papers* we need to get the council to confirm she's on the roll or she won't get to vote for Labour leader.

*unlikely, we tend to shred unnecessary documents that have any details useful for ID theft on them.

I seem to have vote the same way as a lot here - Starmer then Nandy for leader, Allin-Khan then Murray second. Anyone getting a McClusky nod automatically got dropped off my list

CF

I got a perplexing email from Ian Murray today:

Ian Murray wrote:I am Scotland's only Labour MP. And here's a fact: if we only return one Scottish Labour MP again at the next General Election, we will have to defeat the Tories in every single constituency all the way down to Jacob Rees-Mogg's seat in North East Somerset.

He's got a point, but it took me about five minutes to work out what "All the way down to Jacob Rees-Mogg's seat in North East Somerset," was supposed to mean, and I'm still not sure I've got it right (my guess is that he was thinking of all seats where the Conservative majority is equal to or less that JRMs). If I did end up voting for him, it wouldn't be for his communication skills.

If Scotland votes to stay in the UK in the next referendum, Labour and the SNP really need to find points of commonality if the Tories are ever to be defeated again.

snoozeofreason wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:30 am

I got a perplexing email from Ian Murray today:

Ian Murray wrote:I am Scotland's only Labour MP. And here's a fact: if we only return one Scottish Labour MP again at the next General Election, we will have to defeat the Tories in every single constituency all the way down to Jacob Rees-Mogg's seat in North East Somerset.

He's got a point, but it took me about five minutes to work out what "All the way down to Jacob Rees-Mogg's seat in North East Somerset," was supposed to mean, and I'm still not sure I've got it right (my guess is that he was thinking of all seats where the Conservative majority is equal to or less that JRMs). If I did end up voting for him, it wouldn't be for his communication skills.

It might make less sense in his email, and your guess is correct, but listen to him on Nick Robinson's political thinking podcast. He's a very good communicator, and someone I'd want to see in the shadow cabinet.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:10 am

If Scotland votes to stay in the UK in the next referendum, Labour and the SNP really need to find points of commonality if the Tories are ever to be defeated again.

Yeah but 1979 innit

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:19 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:10 am

If Scotland votes to stay in the UK in the next referendum, Labour and the SNP really need to find points of commonality if the Tories are ever to be defeated again.

Yeah but 1979 innit

I prefer Today

well it's better now that the Tories are boycotting it but no one needs that sh.t in the morning, really.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:40 pm

well it's better now that the Tories are boycotting it but no one needs that sh.t in the morning, really.

Tories are boycotting Smashing Pumpkins?! f.ck I'm out of the loop.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:47 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:40 pm

well it's better now that the Tories are boycotting it but no one needs that sh.t in the morning, really.

Tories are boycotting Smashing Pumpkins?! f.ck I'm out of the loop.

Kind of surprising, what with Billy Corgan going all Trumpist in 2016.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:10 am

If Scotland votes to stay in the UK in the next referendum, Labour and the SNP really need to find points of commonality if the Tories are ever to be defeated again.

Scotland isn't that important. Its only got about 10% of UK MPs. All of Blair's victories, plus Wilson in 1964 and Attlee in 1945 would still have occurred without any of the Scottish MPs. To win Labour needs to get a majority in England, if it does that Scotland probably won't be needed anyway.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:18 pm

It might make less sense in his email, and your guess is correct, but listen to him on Nick Robinson's political thinking podcast. He's a very good communicator, and someone I'd want to see in the shadow cabinet.

Will take this up. I had been thinking of giving him my vote until Mrs. Snooze pointed out that Starmer will almost certainly get the leadership (even though he is not getting any votes from the Snooze family), which means that, if Murray is his deputy, we've ended up with two white men, which isn't great.

Also I am worried about jinxing myself. Mrs. S. and I have been referring to him as "The Scottish Candidate" on the pretence that it would be unlucky to say his name. It wasn't a very funny joke to start off with and now that we have kept it up for a bit I am starting to feel as if it really would be unlucky.

Right, I need to vote in the labour leadership election - received my ballot a few days ago. Wasn’t sure if I was going to get one. I note that Lisa Nandy was endorsed by my local association. She hasn’t got a chance has she?

Not really no. Starmer should win it. I was minded to vote for Nandy but in the end decided that Starmer would likely win it on the first round, and to shut the Corbynite wazzocks up thought it best he get as good a mandate as possible, so went for him as no. 1. I went for Allin-Khan as deputy first choice.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:21 am

Not really no. Starmer should win it. I was minded to vote for Nandy but in the end decided that Starmer would likely win it on the first round, and to shut the Corbynite wazzocks up thought it best he get as good a mandate as possible, so went for him as no. 1. I went for Allin-Khan as deputy first choice.

Ditto.

bjn wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:55 am

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:21 am

Not really no. Starmer should win it. I was minded to vote for Nandy but in the end decided that Starmer would likely win it on the first round, and to shut the Corbynite wazzocks up thought it best he get as good a mandate as possible, so went for him as no. 1. I went for Allin-Khan as deputy first choice.

Ditto.

Likewise

Whatever happened to this? Was kinda expecting something before now...

Votes have to be in by 2 April

So, the leadership election which was so long that empires rose and fell, economies were brought to ruin, and the apocalypse happened in the middle of it, has finally ended.

No result until Saturday, though, soz. That's the Labour Way^TM.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 pm

No result until Saturday, though, soz. That's the Labour Way^TM.

They have to count them now. Duh.