I'm not arguing against that, my point is that "liked an anti-semetic mural on FB" ran and ran and ran, "piccaninies" with "water melon smiles" well, that's just something he wrote years ago, the IRA story WAS being mentioned right up to polling day, the Russian interference report rapidly dropped off the radar. A random, virtually unknown Labour MP caught on a hot mic badmouthing Corbyn was as big a story as a former Conservative Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister taking to the stage specifically to warn against electing Johnson. Then historically with Miliband and the attacks on his father and the bacon sandwich incident. I'm not arguing for Corbyn here, I'm expressing the fear that in this environment any leader that Labour put forward will be villified, and perhaps even more worryingly given our current PM, the Conservative leader's failings will be under emphasised, to the point where any Labour leader is unelectable unless they go cap in hand to the press barons and sell their souls to Skeletor and the Brothers from Weirdo Island.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:25 amWhile to an extent this is true, we won't get anywhere if people keep pretending that Corbyn's problems were the press got excited because he talked to Gerry Adams thirty years ago.P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:35 pmCorbyn definitely has problems, but what worries me is that for every Corbyn problem there's a Johnson problem yet look what just happened, Ed Miliband didn't have these problems yet look what happened. Corbyn was a gift to the Tories this election but I worry that the leader wouldn't have mattered, whoever was in place would have been demonised and when people can be persuaded that talking to Gerry Adams thirty years ago is more pertinent than holding back a report into Russian electoral interference now and that tge best way to show your hatred of ten years of Tory Austerity is to vote Tory, or historically what your father didn't actually say and how you eat a bacon sandwich are vital issues, what is the way forward?GeenDienst wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am
Then again, Corbyn can't but have noticed his dire personal ratings. Wonder if it ever occurred to him someone else might have been better placed...
He picked a stalinist who praised the Taliban and IS as his communications director. He did propaganda work for the fascist Iranian regime. He tried to deny genocide in the Balkans so he had an excuse to oppose Britain's life-saving intervention in Kosovo.
Labour candidates were being selected after posting holocaust denial articles off American Neo-Nazi websites.
The slow motion car crash that was Corbyn needs to be learned from, but just as denying that aspect is dangerous so is ignoring the part played by the media.