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Who do you blame?

Tom Watson
5
4%
Jess Phillips
7
6%
The BBC
13
11%
All the traitor Labour MPs who never gave him a chance
16
13%
Tony Blair
9
7%
Alastair Campbell
5
4%
Rupert Murdoch
10
8%
The Tory Press
18
15%
All British people, the c.nts
22
18%
Co... Co... No, I can't say it.
18
15%
 
Total votes: 123

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Herainestold » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:47 pm

ControlFreak wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:44 pm
If you are not allowed to vote for the first 18 years of your life perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to vote in the last 18 either.
Seems like it might be difficult to implement in practise.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Opti » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:49 pm

I'll tell you one thing, for sure. It's not my f.cking fault.
Time for a big fat one.

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Grumble » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:15 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:11 pm
Grumble wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:35 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:40 pm
The Olds shouldnt be allowed to vote.
Well done, what an intelligent solution.
Yes, its sarcastic but it gets to the nub of the problem. Have to get the young involved in all their numbers and do what we can to make the olds comfortable with progressive values. Also foreign interferemce.
It’s not a problem, it’s democracy. One side loses, that’s in the design. The only disenfranchisement is caused by laziness of the young.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by JQH » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:40 pm

@controlfreak

How would you tell when the last 18 had started?
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Imrael » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:25 pm

How would you tell when the last 18 had started?
You're looking at it the wrong way - the government enforces the last 18 if you try to cheat

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Grumble » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 pm

Grumble wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:15 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:11 pm
Grumble wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:35 pm


Well done, what an intelligent solution.
Yes, its sarcastic but it gets to the nub of the problem. Have to get the young involved in all their numbers and do what we can to make the olds comfortable with progressive values. Also foreign interferemce.
It’s not a problem, it’s democracy. One side loses, that’s in the design. The only disenfranchisement is caused by laziness of the young.
Thought more about this, the nub of the problem is Corbyn. It always was. There are reasons why the press attacks on him stick. If he had more charisma than a teabag he might be able to ride over the brickbats like Boris does. The criticisms of both are genuine. Corbyn being cosy with Sinn Fein at the height of the troubles is still a problem for me personally. I hate the f.cker for that, and I’m far from alone. I can hold my nose and vote to get Labour in despite that, but many aren’t prepared to and I don’t blame them.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Herainestold » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:12 pm

Grumble wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:15 pm


It’s not a problem, it’s democracy. One side loses, that’s in the design. The only disenfranchisement is caused by laziness of the young.
Then they blame the boomers (I'm not one, btw) for wrecking society.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by P.J. Denyer » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:32 pm

JQH wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:56 pm
P.J. Denyer wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:57 pm


English.

Do.
Not.
Want.
This.


Okay?

Please don't blame all of us for 46% of dickheads.
Keep your anger here in mind next time you feel inclined to blame "boomers" for this sh.t storm.
If you can find an example of me saying "I hate f.cking boomers" you may have a point.

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by jimbob » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:22 am

plebian wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:07 pm
GeenDienst wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:13 am
Even now, do they not get that the voters roundly and emphatically rejected Corbyn?

The manifesto is the least of your worries. That one's' dead and buried, and a new leader will replace it next time.
A friend on FB is a Corbyn truther and has just posted decrying the right wing media bias as wot lost it.

The voters rejected the impression of Corbyn they developed in great part from the received wisdom generates by the right wing press and bias.

This is not factually incorrect but the solution is the problem; Corbyn, were he in reality the Messiah they believe, would still have to go, his reputation is tarnished to dust and is irrevocable.

The faithful will still point to bias and deception and convince themselves that through some as yet unknown technique, Corbyn will be able to finally get his policy message to the voters and bring them into the fold. Have faith. Stay strong.
A former colleague who was a full blown Corbynista and who had earlier come to regret voting Leave has apologised on Facebook for both and for not listening to his Europhile friends and those saying Corbyn was a disaster
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by JQH » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:11 pm

P.J. Denyer wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:32 pm
JQH wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:56 pm
P.J. Denyer wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:57 pm


English.

Do.
Not.
Want.
This.


Okay?

Please don't blame all of us for 46% of dickheads.
Keep your anger here in mind next time you feel inclined to blame "boomers" for this sh.t storm.
If you can find an example of me saying "I hate f.cking boomers" you may have a point.
Not those exact words but here you make the bizarre claim that boomers want to destroy everything they don't need (including the NHS!) - a sentiment which I doubt meets with your approval.

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by murmur » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:42 pm

The population of Sedgefield have a view on this, which doesn't surprise me in the slightest and will not please the Corbynite Faithful. But, no doubt, the Faithful can safely ignore them, because, well, Sedgefield...
It's so much more attractive inside the moral kiosk

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Gentleman Jim » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:01 am

On twitter from someone who I know is a boomer

"What the f.ck have you done?
You have killed the f.cking NHS; You've killed pensioners waiting for care; You've f.cking killed people who sleep on the streets; You' killed the f.cking union (fecked anyway); You' killed the f.cking planet.

But "Yay, Brexit" Right"

I think he is a little upset - I suspect with good reason.
Much will depend on how lazy "Loose Dick" Johnson is
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by GeenDienst » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:07 am

The unpleasant Caroline Flint is in the Graun today lying about Brexit being the cause of Labour's catastrophe. She and the others who were leavers all along are queuing up for this. They that helped to vote down the amendments for a second referendum, back when it was possible, own the sh.t to come as well.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:25 am

Stephen Kinnock was on Victoria Derbyshire earlier, saying that all 2nd ref supporters should apologise to Labour voters. The f.cking pathetic dissembling ignorant prick.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Mamil » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:40 am

And Andy McDonald blames the BBC. I can’t keep up with what each labour MP believes, but the lack of understanding if why they lost reminds me of the Tories in the early days of the Blair government.

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by GeenDienst » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:09 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:25 am
Stephen Kinnock was on Victoria Derbyshire earlier, saying that all 2nd ref supporters should apologise to Labour voters. The f.cking pathetic dissembling ignorant prick.
This lie is now firmly established. And it rules out Starmer or Thornberry for the leadership.

But hey, better for them than looking at their own parts in it.

And the thick c.nt is actually saying they should apologise to ex-Labour voters who voted Tory. He can f.ck all the way off with that one.

The vanished majority of the PLP are deafeningly silent as usual, the f.cking cowards. It's going to be a long time before it;'s easy to vote Labour.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by JQH » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Rules David Lammy out too, unfortunately.

What do you reckon Jess Phillips' chances are?
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by GeenDienst » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:52 pm

Zero.

Anyway, save Jess for when they could win. That's probably about 3 leaders away, minimum.

Need to get a couple or three of faceless wannabees out of the way first, like all of the others.
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Post by GeenDienst » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:58 pm

And now Thornberry has consulted Messrs Sooe, Grabbit and Runne about Flint "making sh.t up" about her.

Thornberry said she had consulted lawyers after Flint, who lost her Don Valley seat last week, claimed on live television that Thornberry had once said to a fellow MP in a leave-voting seat that she was “glad my constituents aren’t as stupid as yours”.

Thornberry told Sky News: “I’ve contacted her and I’ve said to her: please withdraw, I’ll give you until the end of the day. And she hasn’t. So I’ve had to go to solicitors.

“People can slag me off as long as it’s true, I can take it on the chin. But they can’t make up sh.t about me - and if they do, I have to take it to the courts.”

She added: “It’s ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. I have better things to think about than people going on television and making up sh.t.
So glad Flint got hoofed out.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by JQH » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:59 pm

Just what's needed.

Not.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by lpm » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:19 pm

GeenDienst wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:52 pm
Zero.

Anyway, save Jess for when they could win. That's probably about 3 leaders away, minimum.

Need to get a couple or three of faceless wannabees out of the way first, like all of the others.
This reminds me of an old bloke I know, a real football fan, who got offered the chance to buy a ticket for the 1966 World Cup Final. It cost a bit so he turned it down, but resolved he'd definitely get a ticket the next time England was in the final.

Labour needs to play to win now, not "save up" for the chance to win in decades time. Lose in 2024 and I doubt there will be a next time. No doubt the Liberals are still saving their best candidate to replace Lloyd George, just getting through a few losers first.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by GeenDienst » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:03 pm

But they are not going to win in 2024.

Remember we're at 1983. Only it's worse, because there is no Tribune Group to hold it together while the worst passes. The Bennites have won, completely, they control everything, and now they are being helped to rewrite history by one-dimensional fuckwits like Kinnock and Flint
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by Martin Y » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:27 pm

GeenDienst wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:07 am
The unpleasant Caroline Flint is in the Graun today lying about Brexit being the cause of Labour's catastrophe. She and the others who were leavers all along are queuing up for this. They that helped to vote down the amendments for a second referendum, back when it was possible, own the sh.t to come as well.
Just like the impassioned fury of (bloke on the internet, doesn't matter) blaming Corbyn for pandering to the Remainer Metropolitan elite who like their foreign holidays instead of coming out steadfastly for the true working class Brexit which has been Labour's position for decades until the Tories stole it.

Because that's what Labour's last 40 years has been, apparently: the patient mass of Bennite Leavers who are the silent majority in Labour quietly biding their time until the tiny clique of elite Remainers give them their chance to offer the nation Real Socialism. And that was only roundly rejected because the offer wasn't Leavy enough. You can ignore the great majority of Labour's actual voters who were Remainers, obviously, because reasons.

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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:46 pm

It's a bit more like 2005 in some ways though. Similar numbers in reverse. The main difference, of course, is that Labour still had Scotland at that time, and the Lit Dems had 62 seats.

But the Tories still came back from 198 seats to win 306 at the next election.

I don't think that this is that likely, mind, but turnarounds of that nature can be possible. Just depends who the leader is.

I can't really see, though, how Labour will ultimately get back to power without a pact with the Lit Dems though. And that'll take them years to figure out.
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Re: Whose fault will it be?

Post by gosling » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:26 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:46 pm
I can't really see, though, how Labour will ultimately get back to power without a pact with the Lit Dems though. And that'll take them years to figure out.
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