The carbon footprint of workers travelling from Europe is lower than from the places you list. Plus they won't have to join the long queue at the airport or fill out forms beforehand.
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Not if they arrive neatly packed in shipping containers. Much lower carbon than Easyjet.
Neither of those things are a big deal.Plus they won't have to join the long queue at the airport or fill out forms beforehand.
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The workers that arrive here in shipping containers tend to cost quite a lot in police time, funerals, repatriation of bodies etc. They do stimulate the media economy though, like Keynes' broken windows.
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If you're really concerned about the carbon footprint of workers who aren't from the EU, you must be incandescant with rage about the import of products from China.
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It’s really expensive to employ IT workers from non EU countries. The cost to do that is on both the employer and employee. Its thousands. Upfront and ongoing. It may be worth it some cases. My (as in I’m a director of) company will only employ people with a current legal right to reside and work in the UK as we haven’t found any one where the effort is worth it. Leaving the EU will reduce the talent pool I can draw on.
I also don’t know any Russians or Indian nationals working in my fields in the U.K. Some Americans and Canucks.
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My company's London office is brimming with people from outside the EU, as are its peers.bjn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:24 amIt’s really expensive to employ IT workers from non EU countries. The cost to do that is on both the employer and employee. Its thousands. Upfront and ongoing. It may be worth it some cases. My (as in I’m a director of) company will only employ people with a current legal right to reside and work in the UK as we haven’t found any one where the effort is worth it. Leaving the EU will reduce the talent pool I can draw on.
I also don’t know any Russians or Indian nationals working in my fields in the U.K. Some Americans and Canucks.
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Let's assume you work for a highly successful tech firm, rather than an SME.
The costs are disproportionately smaller for the tech firm and its market-leading salaries. What's a few grand in admin to get someone who you'll pay £200 grand a year to? However the vast majority of people, including immigrants, work for SMEs. That same few grand is a stronger incentive when you're paying £40k.
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The 40K IT roles don't really require access to international talent markets to staff, unless we're actively refusing to invest in training for the existing population?plodder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:41 amLet's assume you work for a highly successful tech firm, rather than an SME.
The costs are disproportionately smaller for the tech firm and its market-leading salaries. What's a few grand in admin to get someone who you'll pay £200 grand a year to? However the vast majority of people, including immigrants, work for SMEs. That same few grand is a stronger incentive when you're paying £40k.
I've worked for SMEs too, and done my time on less than 40k.
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It also takes longer to get someone into place if you have to go through the employment visa process - about 6-9 months for us hiring in the US, as a government agency that isn't subject to the annual visa quotas.plodder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:41 amLet's assume you work for a highly successful tech firm, rather than an SME.
The costs are disproportionately smaller for the tech firm and its market-leading salaries. What's a few grand in admin to get someone who you'll pay £200 grand a year to? However the vast majority of people, including immigrants, work for SMEs. That same few grand is a stronger incentive when you're paying £40k.
Delays in hiring people is also expensive, and can lead to gaps in knowledge because someone leaving doesn't have the opportunity to train their replacement - something that disproportionately hits smaller teams and businesses.
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In my field there are loads and loads of people from abroad working in that salary range. Your perspective is distorted by the relative highest salaries available in the UK. Most immigrants are not in this bracket - this is self evident - most people are not in this bracket.
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Exactly.dyqik wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:08 pmIt also takes longer to get someone into place if you have to go through the employment visa process - about 6-9 months for us hiring in the US, as a government agency that isn't subject to the annual visa quotas.plodder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:41 amLet's assume you work for a highly successful tech firm, rather than an SME.
The costs are disproportionately smaller for the tech firm and its market-leading salaries. What's a few grand in admin to get someone who you'll pay £200 grand a year to? However the vast majority of people, including immigrants, work for SMEs. That same few grand is a stronger incentive when you're paying £40k.
Delays in hiring people is also expensive, and can lead to gaps in knowledge because someone leaving doesn't have the opportunity to train their replacement - something that disproportionately hits smaller teams and businesses.
We have a lot of engineers from inside and outside the EU. Getting work visas for the non-EU engineers has been a long process for many years, and this will extend to EU engineers too. It's not a way of improving the competitiveness of our company.
Our business isn't very small, having a turnover >$400M in this country.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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£46m "Get Ready for Brexit" campaign had "little effect" says NAO.
I leave the punchline as an exercise for the reader ...“Not undertaking the campaign would have risked significant and unnecessary disruption to businesses and to people’s lives,” a spokesperson for the cabinet office said.
This place is not a place of honor, no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here, nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.
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Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.
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So, today is B-Day... that's the name I'm going for anyway as we'll need one to clean up the sh.t.
You can't polish a turd...
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
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Quick reminder that most of the sh.t won't hit until the end of the transition period. Until then, the UK is pretty much still in the EU, but with no say in how it's run.
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Part of me is soooo pissed off by people like Francois that I wish the EU would just say to de Pfeffel - "OK Just f.ck off and leave. Forget alignment etc and just go play with yourself in the corner"
Then watch Brexit places like Sunderland, Swindon, Wrexham etc get what they voted for.
Hopefully, after November, it wont be Trumpland and I can escape there
Then watch Brexit places like Sunderland, Swindon, Wrexham etc get what they voted for.
Hopefully, after November, it wont be Trumpland and I can escape there
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Even if it's not Trumpland anymore, do you really want to move to a country with no free-at-the-point-of-use health care?
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.
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Good point - although, who replaces him may have some bearing, too
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The end of B-Day draws near, and soon we may hear the chimes at midnight (Central European Time).
'They may ring their bells now; before long they will be wringing their hands.' *
*Walpole, 1739, at the start of the War of Jenkins' Ear. Exact wording varies with source. 1066 and All That has '...I shall be wringing their necks soon'.
'They may ring their bells now; before long they will be wringing their hands.' *
*Walpole, 1739, at the start of the War of Jenkins' Ear. Exact wording varies with source. 1066 and All That has '...I shall be wringing their necks soon'.
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We should be positive - think of it like this...
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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If you want me Steve, just Snapchat me yeah? You know how to Snapchap me doncha Steve? You just...
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It is a big practical experiment: Can plucky Britain confound the dismal predications of expert economists? Will Betteridge's law of headlines apply?
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OK, 5 mins to go and f.ck them. f.ck their jobs, their towns, their communities, their so called righteous left'behind resentment. f.ck rhem all.
Just tell 'em I'm broke and don't come round here no more.