Except he's just claimed there were no non tariff barriers to trade, when there obviously are. I hope he knew what he was agreeing toWoodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:29 pmCredit to Johnson. A year ago I was skeptical as to whether it could be negotiated in twelve months. But it was.
That comment was part of the written statement rather than an off the cuff remark. https://twitter.com/benchu_/status/1342 ... 81924?s=21Trinucleus wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:29 pmExcept he's just claimed there were no non tariff barriers to trade, when there obviously are. I hope he knew what he was agreeing toWoodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:29 pmCredit to Johnson. A year ago I was skeptical as to whether it could be negotiated in twelve months. But it was.
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So an inadvertent improvement in the lawGfamily wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:03 pmAnd find that the agreement bans schools or somethingplodder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:59 pmit would take experts that long! most MPs are not in that category. Rubber stamp and hold our noses...Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:47 pmYes, it’ll take people days to read it. Weeks to understand it.
Makes ratification a joke.
Bollocks. I was having a clear-out of my wallet the other day and cut it up assuming it'd be dead weight come next month.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:22 pmWhile the deal is a total sh.t sandwich, here is a little morsel from a less-sh.t area.
UK-issued EHIC cards will continue to be valid until their expiry date (previously it had been expected that they would become worthless on 1/1/2021), and the UK has committed to putting in place a system to replace them. This new system is tentatively entitled "Global Health Insurance Card", which actually sounds promising. If people who pay into the NHS end up with EHIC-style benefits (the key thing about the EHIC is that it includes cover for emergency treatment even if a hard-to-insure pre-existing condition is involved) for a large number of countries, it would actually be the one tangible net positive benefit of Brexit that remainers have been asking leavers to name for the last 5 years. (But could the NHS afford to do it for the US??)
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That's even better! You have till the end of the year to apply for a new one, and the expiry date will be later now as well.Fishnut wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:24 amBollocks. I was having a clear-out of my wallet the other day and cut it up assuming it'd be dead weight come next month.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:22 pmWhile the deal is a total sh.t sandwich, here is a little morsel from a less-sh.t area.
UK-issued EHIC cards will continue to be valid until their expiry date (previously it had been expected that they would become worthless on 1/1/2021), and the UK has committed to putting in place a system to replace them. This new system is tentatively entitled "Global Health Insurance Card", which actually sounds promising. If people who pay into the NHS end up with EHIC-style benefits (the key thing about the EHIC is that it includes cover for emergency treatment even if a hard-to-insure pre-existing condition is involved) for a large number of countries, it would actually be the one tangible net positive benefit of Brexit that remainers have been asking leavers to name for the last 5 years. (But could the NHS afford to do it for the US??)
It's still interesting to see their angle on it, to be fair.
Except Gov website says they're not issuing them !! BastardsBird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:24 amThat's even better! You have till the end of the year to apply for a new one, and the expiry date will be later now as well.
HMG will have to move quite quickly with the new card because EHICs will start expiring soon. Hopefully it will be up and running in time for the tourist season, whenever that is. From 1/1/2021 you won't be able to get into any EU country from the UK because of COVID restrictions that exclude non-EU citizens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Lew Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:00 pmExcept Gov website says they're not issuing them !! BastardsBird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:24 amThat's even better! You have till the end of the year to apply for a new one, and the expiry date will be later now as well.
[didn't renew mine a few months back 'cos a) CoViD and b) Brexit ]
Is it this? viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1956#p62433Cardinal Fang wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:24 pmThis is an interesting comparison of the Brexit deal compared to what we had as EU members. When put side by side, it doesn't look so great
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The Government want everyone to only compare this deal with no deal when the real comparison should be with remaining in the EU. They keep on about sovereignty and controlling our borders, when we have a border between NI and rUK, something no British PM could ever agree to.shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:29 pmIs it this? viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1956#p62433Cardinal Fang wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:24 pmThis is an interesting comparison of the Brexit deal compared to what we had as EU members. When put side by side, it doesn't look so great
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To be fair (and it pains me to say it), that ship sailed on 31 January. So in terms of what could be done this year, this is a very slightly less sh.t sandwich than no (trade) deal would have been.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:11 pmThe Government want everyone to only compare this deal with no deal when the real comparison should be with remaining in the EU.
Good news - the scheme is already up and running!
That Simon Calder bloke who does the travel stuff on the telly wrote:The NHS is not issuing new EHICs to UK citizens. Instead, if you need treatment abroad you need to get a provisional replacement certificate (PRC) from hospital. You, or a companion/family member, must call NHS Overseas Healthcare Services on +44 191 218 1999 during working hours
I don't think I was being unfair, the people who now negotiated this deal played a big part in getting to the situation where this was the choice.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:25 pmTo be fair (and it pains me to say it), that ship sailed on 31 January. So in terms of what could be done this year, this is a very slightly less sh.t sandwich than no (trade) deal would have been.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:11 pmThe Government want everyone to only compare this deal with no deal when the real comparison should be with remaining in the EU.
Of course. But the government's position is that remaining in the EU was literally unthinkable after the referendum, so such comparisons would be irrelevant. On that logic, and only on that logic, they have a point. On every other level, f.ck the lot of them.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:09 pmI don't think I was being unfair, the people who now negotiated this deal played a big part in getting to the situation where this was the choice.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:25 pmTo be fair (and it pains me to say it), that ship sailed on 31 January. So in terms of what could be done this year, this is a very slightly less sh.t sandwich than no (trade) deal would have been.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:11 pmThe Government want everyone to only compare this deal with no deal when the real comparison should be with remaining in the EU.
shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:47 pmuk CavEd in oN fish tO WIN A wIDEr TrEaty because of course it f.cking did what's wrong with you
I'd be interested to know Starmer's reasoning for (a) whipping for the bill and (b) saying well in advance that he will do so. I appreciate that he has to look like he is backing what's best for Britain, and no other deal is on the table, but if the ERG headbangers can get enough Tories to rebel, it will only pass because of Labour support. And because even the best possible deal that the UK could have got would have led to a major loss of GDP, and this is clearly not that deal, Labour risks being associated with the coming depression.While the deal unveiled by the prime minister and European commission president Ursula von der Leyen looks certain to pass through the Westminster parliament, largely because Labour will back it, pro-Brexit MPs remain determined not to fall into the trap of endorsing the full agreement before having subjected every clause to full scrutiny.
True, but the last thing Starmer wants is to have to share the blame for no deal chaos. Labour doesn’t yet have a consistent polling lead.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:47 pmshpalman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:47 pmuk CavEd in oN fish tO WIN A wIDEr TrEaty because of course it f.cking did what's wrong with youI'd be interested to know Starmer's reasoning for (a) whipping for the bill and (b) saying well in advance that he will do so. I appreciate that he has to look like he is backing what's best for Britain, and no other deal is on the table, but if the ERG headbangers can get enough Tories to rebel, it will only pass because of Labour support. And because even the best possible deal that the UK could have got would have led to a major loss of GDP, and this is clearly not that deal, Labour risks being associated with the coming depression.While the deal unveiled by the prime minister and European commission president Ursula von der Leyen looks certain to pass through the Westminster parliament, largely because Labour will back it, pro-Brexit MPs remain determined not to fall into the trap of endorsing the full agreement before having subjected every clause to full scrutiny.
