Getting Brexit done

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:21 pm

The headbangers, led by Daniel Hannan, are now claiming that (a) the Supreme Court has already ruled that the UK Parliament is sovereign over the entire world, and (b) it's ironically thanks to Gina Miller. It is difficult to imagine how the mind of these people works.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by plodder » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:26 pm

The amount of charlie these f.ckers must be getting through....

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Little waster » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:34 pm

plodder wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:26 pm
The amount of charlie these f.ckers must be getting through....
On a scale of 0 to “screaming to an empty room in front of a metric sh.t-tonne of US flags”?
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by bmforre » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:21 pm
The headbangers, led by Daniel Hannan, are now claiming that (a) the Supreme Court has already ruled that the UK Parliament is sovereign over the entire world, and (b) it's ironically thanks to Gina Miller. It is difficult to imagine how the mind of these people works.
I thought it was fairly simple, approximately:
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Little waster » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:52 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:21 pm
The headbangers, led by Daniel Hannan, are now claiming that (a) the Supreme Court has already ruled that the UK Parliament is sovereign over the entire world, and (b) it's ironically thanks to Gina Miller. It is difficult to imagine how the mind of these people works.
I don’t think that word means what they think it does.

Fr’instance irony would be a political movement adamant they are motivated by the “restoration of parliamentary sovereignty” fighting tooth-and-nail any attempt to assert the supremacy of parliament’s sovereignty and then screaming treason when the courts uphold parliamentary sovereignty.

Still you can’t expect normal members of the public to fully understand such esoteric concepts of the British constitution vis-a-vis the EU ... what’s that you say ... MEP? Oh.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:53 pm

Little waster wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:52 pm
sTeamTraen wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:21 pm
The headbangers, led by Daniel Hannan, are now claiming that (a) the Supreme Court has already ruled that the UK Parliament is sovereign over the entire world, and (b) it's ironically thanks to Gina Miller. It is difficult to imagine how the mind of these people works.
I don’t think that word means what they think it does.

Fr’instance irony would be a political movement adamant they are motivated by the “restoration of parliamentary sovereignty” fighting tooth-and-nail any attempt to assert the supremacy of parliament’s sovereignty and then screaming treason when the courts uphold parliamentary sovereignty.

Still you can’t expect normal members of the public to fully understand such esoteric concepts of the British constitution vis-a-vis the EU ... what’s that you say ... MEP? Oh.
Hannan really is the ignorant tw.t's ignorant tw.t.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by discovolante » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:03 pm

Hannan didn't use the word irony though.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:17 pm

No, but others did, and it would indeed be ironic, if it wasn't total bollocks.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by plodder » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:47 am

ahem

I predicted that the “solution” to the NI border would be just to do what the hell UK gov felt like and stare down the EU to build additional border structures.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by plodder » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:48 am

Sorry, that last smiley should have been a panicked clown in flames, apologies.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by jimbob » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:14 am

I like the claim that this is so the Conservatives can give state aid.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by jimbob » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 pm

Anyone else emailed their MP?

Anyone got a reply from their MP? Robert Largan hasn't acknowledged receipt of the email. I used his parliamentary email not the one he publishes.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by bjn » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:17 pm

jimbob wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 pm
Anyone else emailed their MP?

Anyone got a reply from their MP? Robert Largan hasn't acknowledged receipt of the email. I used his parliamentary email not the one he publishes.
I have a Labour MP and she is sane and votes sanely.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by bjn » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:17 pm

Cummings is well into DK land.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by jimbob » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:21 pm

bjn wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:17 pm
jimbob wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 pm
Anyone else emailed their MP?

Anyone got a reply from their MP? Robert Largan hasn't acknowledged receipt of the email. I used his parliamentary email not the one he publishes.
I have a Labour MP and she is sane and votes sanely.
I had a sane Labour MP (before that a Tory drone, and before that a Labour drone). My current MP is proclaiming the Japan trade deal.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by bjn » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:26 pm

jimbob wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:21 pm
bjn wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:17 pm
jimbob wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 pm
Anyone else emailed their MP?

Anyone got a reply from their MP? Robert Largan hasn't acknowledged receipt of the email. I used his parliamentary email not the one he publishes.
I have a Labour MP and she is sane and votes sanely.
I had a sane Labour MP (before that a Tory drone, and before that a Labour drone). My current MP is proclaiming the Japan trade deal.
Did the say, "ALMOST AS GOOD AS THE ONE WE HAD WHILE PART OF THE EU!!!!" ?

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Martin Y » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:46 pm

bjn wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:17 pm
Cummings is well into DK land.
DK makes me think Dorling Kindersley which makes me think children's books. That works too I guess.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Gfamily » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:52 pm

Hurrah!

Rather than having no idea of how much we can bring with us when we return from other EU countries, we now have specific quantities - it must help to remove the uncertainty.
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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... sponse.pdf

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by FlammableFlower » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:39 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:52 pm
Hurrah!

Rather than having no idea of how much we can bring with us when we return from other EU countries, we now have specific quantities - it must help to remove the uncertainty.

allowances.PNG


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... sponse.pdf

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Ah, the old duty free limits have returned/are to be returning (oh god, what tense?). Weirdly nostalgic and not in a good way.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by veravista » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:43 pm

I've got a reply from our potted plant MP, well an automated one from one of her team informing me that they cannot possibly reply unless I furnish them with my full name, address and phone number - because of constituencies or something. As I have written before I obviously did include all 3 e-mail addresses, two phone numbers and even my fax number (get with it kids).

Simple question really. Is she willing to break the law?

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Woodchopper » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:51 am

veravista wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:43 pm
I've got a reply from our potted plant MP, well an automated one from one of her team informing me that they cannot possibly reply unless I furnish them with my full name, address and phone number - because of constituencies or something. As I have written before I obviously did include all 3 e-mail addresses, two phone numbers and even my fax number (get with it kids).

Simple question really. Is she willing to break the law?
The constituencies thing is relevant. An MP shouldn’t answer correspondence from someone else’s constituency. So it’s not unreasonable for them to ask for that information first.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by veravista » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:16 am

No, I get the constituency thing. It's just that they seem to use it as a delaying tactic every time I write - hence the exhaustive list of addresses. And besides, she knows of me as I was one of the first people to bring her a problem when she was first elected (due to child being stuck abroad) and brought it up last time I wrote.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by discovolante » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:26 am

veravista wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:16 am
No, I get the constituency thing. It's just that they seem to use it as a delaying tactic every time I write - hence the exhaustive list of addresses. And besides, she knows of me as I was one of the first people to bring her a problem when she was first elected (due to child being stuck abroad) and brought it up last time I wrote.
Well...only your phone number could make it clear where you live if it's a landline, and assuming the area code doesn't overlap with any constituency boundaries, and you could have moved since you last wrote (again just the phone number providing a link if it's a landline).

Not sure why they could insist they need a phone number though.

ETA Emily Thornberry had an email auto reply saying you had to provide that info to get a response, which seems slightly more efficient. Except she never really bothered to reply anyway.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by sTeamTraen » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:48 am

FlammableFlower wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:39 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:52 pm
Hurrah!

Rather than having no idea of how much we can bring with us when we return from other EU countries, we now have specific quantities - it must help to remove the uncertainty.

allowances.PNG


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... sponse.pdf

Spoiler:
Ah, the old duty free limits have returned/are to be returning (oh god, what tense?). Weirdly nostalgic and not in a good way.
To be fair, the allowances for alcohol seem to be a bit higher than pre-1992. IIRC it was 1 or 2 litres of spirits, which could be replaced with 2 or 4 of sparkling wine. The new 9 litres of sparkling wine is two 6-bottle cases of 75cl bottles. Obviously less than the current situation, but it seems to have been designed with an acknowledgement that people would be even more unhappy with the old numbers. For tobacco it seems to be back to pre-1992 levels; I imagine increasing that will be a key part of the next Brexit Party manifesto. 🙄
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