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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Herainestold » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:51 pm

a..eholes like Trump always live to a ripe old age.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by dyqik » Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:31 am

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:51 pm
a..eholes like Trump always live to a ripe old age.
The Dick Cheney effect, as it's known in the trade.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by FlammableFlower » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:30 am

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:06 pm
Essentially, f.ck knows. If it's before the election but after a certain point, then some states won't allow the ballot to be changed even if one of the candidates is dead. The Dems or reps can replace the candidate through official procedures but it doesn't mean the ballots change. The ballots then cast may be for the party, or a dead candidate, and the supreme Court would likely have a very messy mess on their hands. On top of that as well, the electors might be subject to state laws which say they have to cast their vote for the dead candidate if they won the election in the state, even if they're disqualified from the presidency by being, you know, not alive. However, those laws themselves might be unconstitutional, and the electors might ultimately be able to cast a vote for whoever they want.
Although not a reflection on the presidential vote, didn't a dead bloke recently get elected to a post somewhere in the US? (Well, in the last 12 months). Presumably due to similar grounds as you've laid out.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by lpm » Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 pm

The SCOTUS hearings are not going well for our beloved President.

His lawyers can't invent enough to give the conservative judges cover - all precedent supports the congress position.

Most likely outcome is Trump will lose convincingly - but then ignore/delay/fight on some how. I'd guess Deutsche would promptly obey the courts, just to get rid of their burden.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by AMS » Fri May 15, 2020 11:39 am

lpm wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 pm
I'd guess Deutsche would promptly obey the courts, just to get rid of their burden.
Or possibly so that senior execs don't end up doing jail time for contempt of court?

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri May 15, 2020 4:29 pm

AMS wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 11:39 am
lpm wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 pm
I'd guess Deutsche would promptly obey the courts, just to get rid of their burden.
Or possibly so that senior execs don't end up doing jail time for contempt of court?
lol

As if.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by lpm » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:29 pm

General Mattis finally speaks out!

And why couldn't have done this a few months ago?
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Herainestold » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:46 pm

lpm wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:29 pm
General Mattis finally speaks out!

And why couldn't have done this a few months ago?
He will suffer an unfortunate accident in the next few months.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by bmforre » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:31 pm

dyqik wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:31 am
Herainestold wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:51 pm
a..eholes like Trump always live to a ripe old age.
The Dick Cheney effect, as it's known in the trade.
The "devil takes care of his own" rule.

Compare the Calvinist principle "God takes care of those He prefers".
Senator McConnell's behaviour can also be godlike in such matters.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Herainestold » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:08 pm

There is no cosmic justice, despite what we might wish.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by bmforre » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:35 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:08 pm
There is no cosmic justice, despite what we might wish.
Robespierre did end on the guillotine.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Fishnut » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:38 pm

bmforre wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:35 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:08 pm
There is no cosmic justice, despite what we might wish.
Robespierre did end on the guillotine.
So did Lavoisier

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:11 pm

I cut my thumb on a guillotine at work once. Blood everywhere.

I got better.
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Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:11 pm
I cut my thumb on a guillotine at work once. Blood everywhere.

I got better.
If it only affected your thumb, you've no reason to be carping,
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Herainestold » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:33 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:38 pm
bmforre wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:35 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:08 pm
There is no cosmic justice, despite what we might wish.
Robespierre did end on the guillotine.
So did Lavoisier
Let that be a warning to us all.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by lpm » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:04 pm

Gleeson report on the Flynn case pulls no punches!

I expected a vaguer, more caveated opinion, a sort of "some might argue there's something a bit iffy here".

Comes right out and says Barr is corrupt and Sullivan should just go ahead and sentence Flynn.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by FlammableFlower » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:35 pm

Cor, just reading that on the Washington Post. Savage. Although it's all got to go through an appeal. It'll be one hell of a blow if the DoJ's appeal gets thrown out.

Also, 1250 former Justice department workers have signed a letter calling for an investigation into Barr for the way Lafayette square was cleared.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by lpm » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:57 pm

Bolton highlights:

- Democrats should have investigated Trump for loads of other stuff, not just Ukraine, as he repeatedly sought to intervene in law enforcement matters for political reasons

- Trump directly asked China to buy agricultural products to help him win farm states in 2020

- Trump wanted to intervene in ZTE and Halkbank criminal cases to "give personal favors to dictators he liked"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/us/p ... ached.html
John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser, says in his new book that the House in its impeachment inquiry should have investigated President Trump not just for pressuring Ukraine to incriminate his domestic foes but for a variety of instances when he sought to intervene in law enforcement matters for political reasons.

Mr. Bolton describes several episodes where the president expressed willingness to halt criminal investigations “to, in effect, give personal favors to dictators he liked,” citing cases involving major firms in China and Turkey. “The pattern looked like obstruction of justice as a way of life, which we couldn’t accept,” Mr. Bolton writes, adding that he reported his concerns to Attorney General William P. Barr.

Mr. Bolton also adds a striking new allegation by saying that Mr. Trump overtly linked trade negotiations to his own political fortunes by asking President Xi Jinping of China to buy a lot of American agricultural products to help him win farm states in this year’s election. Mr. Trump, he writes, was “pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win. He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome.”

...

It is a withering portrait of a president ignorant of even basic facts about the world, susceptible to transparent flattery by authoritarian leaders manipulating him and prone to false statements, foul-mouthed eruptions and snap decisions that aides try to manage or reverse.

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The book confirms House testimony that Mr. Bolton was wary all along of the president’s actions with regard to Ukraine and that Mr. Trump explicitly linked the security aid to investigations involving Mr. Biden and Hillary Clinton. On Aug. 20, Mr. Bolton writes, Mr. Trump “said he wasn’t in favor of sending them anything until all the Russia-investigation materials related to Clinton and Biden had been turned over.” Mr. Bolton writes that he, Mr. Pompeo and Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper tried eight to 10 times to get Mr. Trump to release the aid.

Mr. Bolton, however, had nothing but scorn for the House Democrats who impeached Mr. Trump, saying they committed “impeachment malpractice” by limiting their inquiry to the Ukraine matter and moving too quickly for their own political reasons. Instead, he said they should have also looked at how Mr. Trump was willing to intervene in investigations into companies like Turkey’s Halkbank to curry favor with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey or China’s ZTE to favor Mr. Xi.

Mr. Bolton does not say these are necessarily impeachable offenses and adds that he does not know everything that happened with regard to those episodes but he reported them to Mr. Barr and Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel. They should have been investigated by the House, he said, and at the very least suggested abuses of a president’s duty to put the nation’s interests ahead of his own.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by lpm » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:12 pm

In June 2019, Xi "explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang. ... Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by lpm » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:14 pm

Bolton said the main goal of Trump's bizarre missive defending MBS on Khashoggi was to distract from Ivanka using personal email for gov't business.

“This will divert from Ivanka,” Trump said.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by bjn » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:57 pm

It is good that the dirty details are coming out, but why the f.ck didn’t he testify all that rather than save it up for a book deal?

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:20 pm

bjn wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:57 pm
It is good that the dirty details are coming out, but why the f.ck didn’t he testify all that rather than save it up for a book deal?
I think because he's always been acting out of self-interest rather than public interest.

One of the amazing symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome is that you forget how c.nty people like Bolton or Bush or McCain are/were, because Trump is just such a bin fire.

Like, none of those details are even shocking. The only useful purpose Bolton's insider knowledge could have served was during the impeachment. But he'd rather cash in on a book and blame the Democrats for his own party's f.ckup.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Squeak » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:22 pm

Either WashPo or NYTimes had an opinion piece this week that suggested Bolton did want to testify but wanted to be seen as a reluctant witness rather than yet another disgruntled ex-employee, so he asked to be subpoenaed. It needed four Republican senators to vote to subpoena him but only two did so. This article was arguing that the error Bolton made was underestimating the cowardice of Republican senators.

Since I'd expected that being the witness who (quite possibly) brought down a president would massively boost future book sales in comparison to being the author who squibbed on testifying, I don't think it's a silly hypothesis.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:56 am

If he'd tweeted something like "@realDonaldTrump is in favour of building concentration camps in China" he'd have been subpoenaed for sure.

Seriously, I think he could have testified if he'd wanted to enough. Optics shmoptics.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by FlammableFlower » Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:19 am

Barr announced the replacement for the SDNY attorney, but it also appears he announced the resignation of the incumbent before the replacement has been Senate approved.

The incumbent is having none of it and has said they're not going anywhere until the new appointee has been approved.

I wonder if this has anything to do with various investigations into Trump that are ongoing in that district?

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