Democratic Candidate 2020

Discussions about serious topics, for serious people
Post Reply
User avatar
dyqik
Dorkwood
Posts: 1543
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:19 pm
Location: Masshole
Contact:

Re: Democratic Candidate 2020

Post by dyqik » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:04 pm

Gentleman Jim wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:22 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:18 am
I mean, maybe. But I don't think dealing with (AFAICT credible) cases like this should be a partisan process.
Of course no, but remember, we are dealing with US politics
With a known serial sexual abuser in the White House, and at least two on the Supreme Court.

Not that that's a reason why she should be ignored, but the reality is that it'll be used to dismiss all the claims against Trump.

secret squirrel
Clardic Fug
Posts: 174
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:42 pm

Re: Democratic Candidate 2020

Post by secret squirrel » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:53 pm

dyqik wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:04 pm
With a known serial sexual abuser in the White House, and at least two on the Supreme Court.

Not that that's a reason why she should be ignored, but the reality is that it'll be used to dismiss all the claims against Trump.
Kind of depends how the Democrats react doesn't it? I mean, Trump's supporters are going to dismiss all claims against him anyway, but if the Liberal demographic that is usually very vocal about rape and sexual assault is mysteriously low key about this then it will give them ammunition to talk about Liberal hypocrisy. And they'll be right too for that matter. I mean, we know the American right only cares about women's' rights to the exact minimum extent they can get away with, and they don't really pretend otherwise. Liberals on the other hand have been extremely loudly pro women's rights in recent years. If the same people who were denouncing Bernie Sanders for projecting raw, undefinable sexist energy a short while ago don't see these accusations against Biden as a massive deal, then they will have well and truly given themselves away.

Not that being hypocritical or not makes much of a difference in the business of winning elections though I guess. So whatever.

User avatar
Bird on a Fire
Dorkwood
Posts: 1236
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Location: with the birds

Re: Democratic Candidate 2020

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:25 pm

The Twitter response I've seen to this has been (a) very muted, compared with the concerns about Sanders' unelectable sexism, and (b) more along the lines of "she definitely must be yet another Russian asset" than "#BelieveWomen".
"Ecology without socialism is just gardening" - Chico Mendes

User avatar
lpm
Catbabel
Posts: 778
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:05 pm
Location: IMPEACH AND EXTERMINATE

Re: Democratic Candidate 2020

Post by lpm » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:04 pm

I think we can safely assume every Presidential candidate, from both parties, till the end of time, will be accused of sexual assaults. Including female candidates.

Will be true in most cases, going by the historical record of previous presidents.
I'll miss him after he's died in the pandemic

secret squirrel
Clardic Fug
Posts: 174
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:42 pm

Re: Democratic Candidate 2020

Post by secret squirrel » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:23 pm

lpm wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:04 pm
I think we can safely assume every Presidential candidate, from both parties, till the end of time, will be accused of sexual assaults. Including female candidates.

Will be true in most cases, going by the historical record of previous presidents.
I mean yes I guess if you insist on nominating extremely overtly creepy guys with well documented histories of sexist behaviour.

On the other hand, Bernie Sanders has no sexual assault allegations against, despite being widely disliked by establishment types.

User avatar
Bird on a Fire
Dorkwood
Posts: 1236
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Location: with the birds

Re: Democratic Candidate 2020

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:49 pm

secret squirrel wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:23 pm
lpm wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:04 pm
I think we can safely assume every Presidential candidate, from both parties, till the end of time, will be accused of sexual assaults. Including female candidates.

Will be true in most cases, going by the historical record of previous presidents.
I mean yes I guess if you insist on nominating extremely overtly creepy guys with well documented histories of sexist behaviour.

On the other hand, Bernie Sanders has no sexual assault allegations against, despite being widely disliked by establishment types.
I don't think lpm is being entirely serious. It would be enormously surprising if allegations had emerged about Warren, or Sanders for that matter, whereas various things about Biden were already public record before he looked set to take the nomination.

I'm starting to get concerned that the lessons of 2016 haven't been learned at all. The Democratic Party really, really should have this election in their bag. It's theirs to lose. Nominating a candidate with a legitimately flawed record isn't part of a sensible strategy, but I think they've doubled down so hard on Biden that's who their stuck with.
"Ecology without socialism is just gardening" - Chico Mendes

User avatar
dyqik
Dorkwood
Posts: 1543
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:19 pm
Location: Masshole
Contact:

Re: Democratic Candidate 2020

Post by dyqik » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:16 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:49 pm
secret squirrel wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:23 pm
lpm wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:04 pm
I think we can safely assume every Presidential candidate, from both parties, till the end of time, will be accused of sexual assaults. Including female candidates.

Will be true in most cases, going by the historical record of previous presidents.
I mean yes I guess if you insist on nominating extremely overtly creepy guys with well documented histories of sexist behaviour.

On the other hand, Bernie Sanders has no sexual assault allegations against, despite being widely disliked by establishment types.
I don't think lpm is being entirely serious. It would be enormously surprising if allegations had emerged about Warren, or Sanders for that matter, whereas various things about Biden were already public record before he looked set to take the nomination.
Allegations were made against Warren. By the pointless troll Jacob Wohl, but it happened.

You can absolutely guarantee that there would be allegations against Sanders if he won the nomination. Until then, it serves the GOP for those allegations not to be made.

Post Reply