Fishnut wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:07 pm
lpm wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:01 pm
There are attack ads the Republicans will run that would get me voting for Trump.
That's another thing that I've heard mention - Sanders hasn't really had the same level of scrutiny as other candidates. Hillary didn't really see him as that big a challenge so didn't attack him and until the last couple of debates all the current crop of candidates have been very nice to each other so there's been relatively few attacks on Sanders so far. He really needs all that now so that if he is the nominee there's nothing unexpected that comes. Nothing's going to hit Trump where it hurts. The 'grab them by the p.ssy' tape did f.ck all. He's survived impeachment, negative doesn't work on him. That's not going to be the case for the democratic nominee.
Trump lost the popular vote in the last election and has lost support since then, so his re-election is hardly a safe bet. All he has left is a cultish core of die-hard Republican fanatics. Never mind Fifth Avenue - Trump could shoot into a crowd of his own supporters and they'd all praise him for it.
In order for Trump to lose, Democrats simply need to unite behind a single candidate in the face of the inevitable smearing, lying and corruption coming from the right. I wouldn't worry that they're all bickering amongst themselves at the moment - that's because they're having an internal election to choose a candidate, whereas the Republicans have an incumbent. The election isn't until 3rd November so there's plenty of time for them to sort themselves out properly - 8 months is ages in politics.
At the moment Sanders looks quite likely to win. Personally, I think he has good policies, that would bring the rights of normal USians closer to the standards Europeans enjoy, which would be a good thing for them, while reducing the USA's toxic influence on geopolitics, which would be good for everybody else. I don't know him personally, but he seems to have had sensible positions throughout the last century when a lot of other potential candidates were quite feeble (e.g. Biden and bussing, or Warren voting Republican during the Reagan years).
Sanders has had plenty of scrutiny compared to the other candidates, not least because this is the second election he's running in. He's an outsider from the perspective of Democratic high command, because while he's worked with them and against the Republicans throughout his career he has until now maintained his independence. He's also at the furthest-left point of mainstream US politics, so has had plenty of criticism in right-wing media (which is most of it). As lpm points out, though, it's going to get a lot more scrutinous and a lot more dishonest.
A lot of people within the Democrats don't consider Sanders their first choice, which is fine. But I hope they've learned from 2016, and from the Corbyn debacle, inter alia, and realised that the choice they are actually going to be faced with in November is Trump vs a Democrat, and for practically anybody on the left, centre or even the non-racist, neoliberal parts of the right, the Democratic candidate should get their vote. The idiots who expressed no preference between Trump and Clinton in 2016 have hopefully had a long, hard look in the mirror.
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