Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:49 pm
100,000 official deaths.
What an achievement.
What an achievement.
World-beating! They said it couldn't be done but with the right man in charge we can achieve anything.
As much as I think Boris should resign and allow someone competent to take over:
shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pmBoris Johnson has insisted his government “did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths
"Country with higher death rate than any other insists death rate couldn't be lower."
* - I can't actually be arsed to calculate the number of deaths in terms of % of population and compare it to every other country.
Thanks.Turdly wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:45 pmshpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pmBoris Johnson has insisted his government “did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths
"Country with higher death rate than any other insists death rate couldn't be lower."
* - I can't actually be arsed to calculate the number of deaths in terms of % of population and compare it to every other country.
According to Worldometer we have the 5th highest deaths per million population. Remove Gibraltar and San Marino which don't really count as they are skewed by small populations and we are 3rd behind Belgium and Slovenia.
Indeed and it's pretty complex, norovirus infections are also down a lot.
But on the other hand,shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pmBoris Johnson has insisted his government “did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths
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Possibly could have concentrated a bit more on reducing deaths, then.Boris said in parliament and Hansard wrote:Yesterday, on the advice of the four chief medical officers, the UK’s Covid alert level was raised from 3 to 4, the second most serious stage, meaning that transmission is high or rising exponentially.
So this is the moment when we must act. If we can curb the number of daily infections, and reduce the Reproduction rate to one, then we can save lives, protect the NHS, and the most vulnerable, and shelter the economy from the far sterner and more costly measures that would inevitably become necessary later.
So we are acting on the principle that a stitch in time saves nine. The Government will introduce new restrictions in England, carefully judged to achieve the maximum reduction in the R number with the minimum damage to lives and livelihoods.
I want to stress that this is by no means a return to the full lockdown of March. We are not issuing a general instruction to stay at home.
We will ensure that schools, colleges and universities stay open – because nothing is more important than the education, health and well-being of our young people.
We will ensure that businesses can stay open in a Covid-compliant way. However, we must take action to suppress the disease.
I suppose Gibraltar is also Boris's lookout. Surely no other world leader has two territories in the top 5. World-beating.Turdly wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:45 pmshpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pmBoris Johnson has insisted his government “did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths
"Country with higher death rate than any other insists death rate couldn't be lower."
* - I can't actually be arsed to calculate the number of deaths in terms of % of population and compare it to every other country.
According to Worldometer we have the 5th highest deaths per million population. Remove Gibraltar and San Marino which don't really count as they are skewed by small populations and we are 3rd behind Belgium and Slovenia.
If the UK (67.8 million, 100k dead) had the same death rate as Germany (83.8 million, 50k dead), then the number of dead in the UK would be ~40k.shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pmBoris Johnson has insisted his government “did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths
"Country with higher death rate than any other insists death rate couldn't be lower."
* - I can't actually be arsed to calculate the number of deaths in terms of % of population and compare it to every other country.
Wrong.tom p wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:24 amIf the UK (67.8 million, 100k dead) had the same death rate as Germany (83.8 million, 50k dead), then the number of dead in the UK would be ~40k.shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pmBoris Johnson has insisted his government “did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths
"Country with higher death rate than any other insists death rate couldn't be lower."
* - I can't actually be arsed to calculate the number of deaths in terms of % of population and compare it to every other country.
Johnson's incompetence has killed 60,000 people. In ~9 months.
In the 8 months of the blitz, just 40k people died.
Johnson thinks he's Churchill. Before he came to power I thought he'd be more like Goebbels. It turns out that he's one and a half Görings
Given that Johnson was in Parliament for a chunk of that timeand indeed in Government for some of it, that's on him too.lpm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:10 amWrong.tom p wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:24 amIf the UK (67.8 million, 100k dead) had the same death rate as Germany (83.8 million, 50k dead), then the number of dead in the UK would be ~40k.shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pmBoris Johnson has insisted his government “did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths
"Country with higher death rate than any other insists death rate couldn't be lower."
* - I can't actually be arsed to calculate the number of deaths in terms of % of population and compare it to every other country.
Johnson's incompetence has killed 60,000 people. In ~9 months.
In the 8 months of the blitz, just 40k people died.
Johnson thinks he's Churchill. Before he came to power I thought he'd be more like Goebbels. It turns out that he's one and a half Görings
The UK cannot be expected to match Germany. Our pandemic performance has to judged against specific conditions in the UK.
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has trashed its public health infrastructure
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has under invested in the NHS despite the ageing population
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has pursued a policy of long waiting lists and rationing of NHS care, deliberately attempting to run at 0% spare capacity
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has cut statutory sick pay to among the lowest in Europe
- For the past 10 years in the name of fake economics the UK has driven desperation into the lives of the poor, forcing them to live on insufficient benefits in inadequate housing
- For the past 10 years in the name of fake economics the UK has reduced job security for the low paid, forcing them to go out an earn an hourly wage even if ill or supposed to be isolating
- For the past 10 years in the name of appeasing newspaper owners and rich supporters the UK has pursued policies of no regulation, no rules for the elites and no accountability for government ministers
Johnson and the Conservative government never had a hope of matching Germany and the other civilised countries.
More importantly, knowing what the conditions in the NHS were like, Johnson could have pursued policies that minimised transmission and thus cases and thus hospitalisations and thus deaths.JQH wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:52 pmGiven that Johnson was in Parliament for a chunk of that timeand indeed in Government for some of it, that's on him too.lpm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:10 amWrong.tom p wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:24 am
If the UK (67.8 million, 100k dead) had the same death rate as Germany (83.8 million, 50k dead), then the number of dead in the UK would be ~40k.
Johnson's incompetence has killed 60,000 people. In ~9 months.
In the 8 months of the blitz, just 40k people died.
Johnson thinks he's Churchill. Before he came to power I thought he'd be more like Goebbels. It turns out that he's one and a half Görings
The UK cannot be expected to match Germany. Our pandemic performance has to judged against specific conditions in the UK.
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has trashed its public health infrastructure
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has under invested in the NHS despite the ageing population
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has pursued a policy of long waiting lists and rationing of NHS care, deliberately attempting to run at 0% spare capacity
- For the past 10 years in the name of austerity the UK has cut statutory sick pay to among the lowest in Europe
- For the past 10 years in the name of fake economics the UK has driven desperation into the lives of the poor, forcing them to live on insufficient benefits in inadequate housing
- For the past 10 years in the name of fake economics the UK has reduced job security for the low paid, forcing them to go out an earn an hourly wage even if ill or supposed to be isolating
- For the past 10 years in the name of appeasing newspaper owners and rich supporters the UK has pursued policies of no regulation, no rules for the elites and no accountability for government ministers
Johnson and the Conservative government never had a hope of matching Germany and the other civilised countries.
No.
I usually download the Johns Hopkins data which includes Gibraltar under GBR and some of the Dutch Caribbean (it's complicated) under NLD. So their numbers are never quite the same as ECDC for the UK and Netherlands.
I don't understand how we've got in this plight. I mean like the US* we've had over 40 years of glorious Thatcherism, it's been TINA all the way!lpm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:52 pmMy point, if I had one, is the UK's failure runs far deeper than one bad year with a particularly bad Prime Minister.
The country had rotted from within. It hasn't a hope of succeeding in a pandemic or with Brexit or in holding the union together, and that's not just because of Johnson - it's also what Johnson is a symptom of.
In the UK, and particularly England, we need to stop expecting even mediocre outcomes. Johnson and incompetent government is now a feature, not a temporary bug.
https://academictimes.com/south-korean- ... ves-in-uk/If the United Kingdom had adopted South Korean-style controls in response to the coronavirus pandemic, it would have saved about 65,000 lives through October 2020 and averted its worst economic decline in more than three centuries, according to a new study that modeled the countries’ coronavirus policies.
The authors argued that their paper, which is forthcoming in the February 2021 issue of the Journal of Public Economics, demonstrates that there is not a tradeoff between gross domestic product and public health. Rather, the two are inextricably linked.