Should prisons be abolished?
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Should prisons be abolished?
Interesting article in New Internationlist - a debate between two articulate, apparently reasonable people who agree on 95% of the issue, but disagree on the absolutes.
https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/ ... -abolished
https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/ ... -abolished
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Where will we put Boris then, when all this is over?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 pmInteresting article in New Internationlist - a debate between two articulate, apparently reasonable people who agree on 95% of the issue, but disagree on the absolutes.
https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/ ... -abolished
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Probably in the House of f.cking Lords.Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:56 amWhere will we put Boris then, when all this is over?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 pmInteresting article in New Internationlist - a debate between two articulate, apparently reasonable people who agree on 95% of the issue, but disagree on the absolutes.
https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/ ... -abolished
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Which should be moved to Dartmoor, ASAP to give it a less London and home counties centric outlook.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:36 amProbably in the House of f.cking Lords.Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:56 amWhere will we put Boris then, when all this is over?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 pmInteresting article in New Internationlist - a debate between two articulate, apparently reasonable people who agree on 95% of the issue, but disagree on the absolutes.
https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/ ... -abolished
I think there's already a large government owned building there it could use.
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Owned by one of the inmates members of the House of Lords, I believedyqik wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:35 amWhich should be moved to Dartmoor, ASAP to give it a less London and home counties centric outlook.
I think there's already a large government owned building there it could use.
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Might here be a conflict of interest?Martin_B wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:44 amOwned by one of the inmates members of the House of Lords, I believe
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Re: Should prisons be abolished?
An odd discussion.
Andrew's key points appear to be:
However, Kelsey seems to sidestep those points and instead offers some other valid criticisms.
Andrew's key points appear to be:
There are undeniably people who do commit serious and violent crimes, who cannot be safely managed in the community. We may be able to radically reduce our prison population, but there are sadly some individuals who will still be incarcerated for what they have done and what they may do to others.
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There are certain serious violent harms by some individuals however – including murder and sexual violence – where the incapacitating function of incarceration will trump other considerations. This is not to ignore the failure of prisons to safely address serious harm, but to see incarceration as a necessary evil in some circumstances. Efforts should then be directed to reducing the use of imprisonment, which should be viewed as a ‘last resort’.
However, Kelsey seems to sidestep those points and instead offers some other valid criticisms.