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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by lpm » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:18 am

Hmm. The police spend a lot of their time picking up the pieces for mental health problems, thanks to the utter inadequacy of the UK's mental health service. They are pretty well trained for this, including dealing with violent ill people who've self-medicated with drugs and made it worse.

Some of their gentle questioning of this woman should probably be recast in the light of them exploring if she's ill, rather than wondering about domestic abuse.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by purplehaze » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:15 am

lpm wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:18 am
Hmm. The police spend a lot of their time picking up the pieces for mental health problems, thanks to the utter inadequacy of the UK's mental health service. They are pretty well trained for this, including dealing with violent ill people who've self-medicated with drugs and made it worse.

Some of their gentle questioning of this woman should probably be recast in the light of them exploring if she's ill, rather than wondering about domestic abuse.
She wasn't violent though and was sitting alone. She definitely became agitated after the prolonged questioning and threats from the police. And who could blame her.

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by purplehaze » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:20 am

purplehaze wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:15 am
lpm wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:18 am
Hmm. The police spend a lot of their time picking up the pieces for mental health problems, thanks to the utter inadequacy of the UK's mental health service. They are pretty well trained for this, including dealing with violent ill people who've self-medicated with drugs and made it worse.

Some of their gentle questioning of this woman should probably be recast in the light of them exploring if she's ill, rather than wondering about domestic abuse.
She wasn't violent though and was sitting alone. She definitely became agitated after the prolonged questioning and threats from the police. And who could blame her.
However, I do agree that she does have mental health problems and the services will be severely inadequate during this lock down.

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:21 am

purplehaze wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:15 am
lpm wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:18 am
Hmm. The police spend a lot of their time picking up the pieces for mental health problems, thanks to the utter inadequacy of the UK's mental health service. They are pretty well trained for this, including dealing with violent ill people who've self-medicated with drugs and made it worse.

Some of their gentle questioning of this woman should probably be recast in the light of them exploring if she's ill, rather than wondering about domestic abuse.
She wasn't violent though and was sitting alone. She definitely became agitated after the prolonged questioning and threats from the police. And who could blame her.
What "threats from the police"?
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Martin_B » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:20 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:21 am
purplehaze wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:15 am
lpm wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:18 am
Hmm. The police spend a lot of their time picking up the pieces for mental health problems, thanks to the utter inadequacy of the UK's mental health service. They are pretty well trained for this, including dealing with violent ill people who've self-medicated with drugs and made it worse.

Some of their gentle questioning of this woman should probably be recast in the light of them exploring if she's ill, rather than wondering about domestic abuse.
She wasn't violent though and was sitting alone. She definitely became agitated after the prolonged questioning and threats from the police. And who could blame her.
What "threats from the police"?
Well, they did talk about issuing a fixed penalty notice or arresting her
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:32 pm

Martin_B wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:21 am
purplehaze wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:15 am


She wasn't violent though and was sitting alone. She definitely became agitated after the prolonged questioning and threats from the police. And who could blame her.
What "threats from the police"?
Well, they did talk about issuing a fixed penalty notice or arresting her
Ah I suppose that could work for a given value of the word "threats" although it stretches it beyond realistic level of use. Of course, as part of the Deep State I would say that.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:45 pm

Priti Patel press conference - hasn't confirmed death penalty for buying Easter eggs but it hasn't finished yet
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by jimbob » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:21 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
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Priti Patel press conference - hasn't confirmed death penalty for buying Easter eggs but it hasn't finished yet
And it will be a deterrent if you're executed even if you haven't bought Easter eggs?
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Millennie Al » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 am

Fishnut wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:06 pm
booze, chocolates and pot noodles aren't 'basic necessities' either
Really? What are some examples of "basic necessities" then?

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Post by Fishnut » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:35 am

Traditionally, bread and water I believe
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Post by purplehaze » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:37 am

Fishnut wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:35 am
Traditionally, bread and water I believe
If you can find bread. Some households are on water meters and may well be struggling with the bills.

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Post by Stephanie » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:07 am

Millennie Al wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 am
Fishnut wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:06 pm
booze, chocolates and pot noodles aren't 'basic necessities' either
Really? What are some examples of "basic necessities" then?
Fishnut was, I believe, making a cheeky reference to another post
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by purplehaze » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:15 am

purplehaze wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:37 am
Fishnut wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:35 am
Traditionally, bread and water I believe
If you can find bread. Some households are on water meters and may well be struggling with the bills.
I'm sorry Fishnut. I didn't realise the cheeky reference.

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Post by shpalman » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:58 pm

Millennie Al wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 am
Fishnut wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:06 pm
booze, chocolates and pot noodles aren't 'basic necessities' either
Really? What are some examples of "basic necessities" then?
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by raven » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:00 pm

purplehaze wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:37 am
If you can find bread. Some households are on water meters and may well be struggling with the bills.
Some power companies have been sending out pre-paid meter cards for electricity/gas so people on meters don't get cut off. Thames Water is offering to temporarily reduce or pause payments, I assume other water companies will do similar.

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Post by purplehaze » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:36 pm

raven wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:00 pm
purplehaze wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:37 am
If you can find bread. Some households are on water meters and may well be struggling with the bills.
Some power companies have been sending out pre-paid meter cards for electricity/gas so people on meters don't get cut off. Thames Water is offering to temporarily reduce or pause payments, I assume other water companies will do similar.
I haven't had mine yet for electricity. EDF.

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by raven » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:21 pm

I don't know what EDF are like. Are they're sending prepaid cards out? The story I saw helpfully didn't mention which companies were doing that.

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Post by Opti » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:45 am

Today, the Guardia Civil paid a visit to our urbanizacion. Because the gardeners are back to work making it all look lovely again. Checking they're observing the decree ... oh, and had a sneaky peek to make sure no one was using the beach, or walking dogs off lead. Big guns.
They're really policing the relaxation. Not sure how they got in, it is a gated community.
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Post by JQH » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:59 pm

Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:45 am
Not sure how they got in, it is a gated community.
Probably pointed a gun at the caretaker and said "Open the f.cking gate!"
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Post by Opti » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:59 pm

JQH wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:45 am
Not sure how they got in, it is a gated community.
Probably pointed a gun at the caretaker and said "Open the f.cking gate!"
Caretaker is a 'non-essential' worker (also a massive hypochondriac! Dear Fernando), hence no mail. We have a communal mailroom. No Fernando, no mail.
Oh well.

I expect they scared someone enough to let them in. You don't discuss things with Guardia Civil. :o
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Post by bmforre » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:24 pm

Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:59 pm
... You don't discuss things with Guardia Civil. :o
Don't want to set off a transformation into Guardia Uncivil ?

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Post by Opti » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:31 pm

bmforre wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:24 pm
Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:59 pm
... You don't discuss things with Guardia Civil. :o
Don't want to set off a transformation into Guardia Uncivil ?
:D :D
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Post by Bewildered » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:36 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:11 pm
From your transcript (thanks!) I thought she sounded a bit freeman-on-the-landish ("Is that a demand or a request?") etc. Those guys are always going out trying to wind up cops and film the results for youtube.
Maybe yeah, I missed that bit, but anyway she was clearly prepped on being non-cooperative, and there are bunch of groups, including FOTL, who advocate that sort of thing and post videos of the confrontations. For the most part it was fair enough, she had a plausible disagreement on interpretation of the law and what she was doing then wasn’t obviously risky. However she wanted to get arrested to make some point or whatever. Normally I’d say fair enough, but in the current climate that increases the risk for many people, which in turn increases the risk for many others who they then have necessary contact with. Her “so what if I put myself at risk” attitude also didn’t help.

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Post by plebian » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:46 pm

bmforre wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:24 pm
Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:59 pm
... You don't discuss things with Guardia Civil. :o
Don't want to set off a transformation into Guardia Uncivil ?
I'd quite like the guardia civil to mess with me, judging by their uniforms.

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