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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Opti » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:47 pm

Bewildered wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:36 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
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From your transcript (thanks!) I thought she sounded a bit freeman-on-the-landish ("Is that a demand or a request?") etc. Those guys are always going out trying to wind up cops and film the results for youtube.
Maybe yeah, I missed that bit, but anyway she was clearly prepped on being non-cooperative, and there are bunch of groups, including FOTL, who advocate that sort of thing and post videos of the confrontations. For the most part it was fair enough, she had a plausible disagreement on interpretation of the law and what she was doing then wasn’t obviously risky. However she wanted to get arrested to make some point or whatever. Normally I’d say fair enough, but in the current climate that increases the risk for many people, which in turn increases the risk for many others who they then have necessary contact with. Her “so what if I put myself at risk” attitude also didn’t help.
She really wouldn't want to try that, for example, here in Spain. Disputing the finer points of the Royal Decree, let alone taking the piss, is not looked on sympathetically.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Opti » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:49 pm

plebian wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:46 pm
bmforre wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:24 pm
Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:59 pm
... You don't discuss things with Guardia Civil. :o
Don't want to set off a transformation into Guardia Uncivil ?
I'd quite like the guardia civil to mess with me, judging by their uniforms.
It has to be said, they look quite, I dunno ... strict?
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Opti » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:11 pm

Aaaah, found out why they were here. 5 houses were opened up today by 2nd homers. They've been sent back to their 'primary residence'. Popo aren't f.cking about here.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Opti » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:31 pm

Contrary to UK news reports Spain has not lifted it's lockdown .
We are not lifting our lockdown, some construction and industrial workers can return to work. Schools are still closed, universities are still closed, all bars, restaurants and hotels are closed, all retail shops except food outlets are closed.
We are only allowed out of our homes to shop for food, medical appointments and pharmacies and go to work if allowed as specified by the Decree.
We are only allowed to purchase essential items.... ie food, drink
We are not allowed out to exercise.
Dog owners can briefly take their pets out within immediate vicinity of home.
Our slightly eased lockdown is still way more strict than the UK one.
Fines for disobeying the lockdown START at €600.
We still have the Guardia and Army checking cars, shopping, receipts etc to ensure compliance

This is what lockdown is like.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Herainestold » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:53 pm

Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:31 pm
Contrary to UK news reports Spain has not lifted it's lockdown .
We are not lifting our lockdown, some construction and industrial workers can return to work. Schools are still closed, universities are still closed, all bars, restaurants and hotels are closed, all retail shops except food outlets are closed.
We are only allowed out of our homes to shop for food, medical appointments and pharmacies and go to work if allowed as specified by the Decree.
We are only allowed to purchase essential items.... ie food, drink
We are not allowed out to exercise.
Dog owners can briefly take their pets out within immediate vicinity of home.
Our slightly eased lockdown is still way more strict than the UK one.
Fines for disobeying the lockdown START at €600.
We still have the Guardia and Army checking cars, shopping, receipts etc to ensure compliance

This is what lockdown is like.
What it should look like. Can you go into your garden if you have one?

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Martin_B » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:28 am

Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:49 pm
plebian wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:46 pm
bmforre wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:24 pm

Don't want to set off a transformation into Guardia Uncivil ?
I'd quite like the guardia civil to mess with me, judging by their uniforms.
It has to be said, they look quite, I dunno ... strict?
They don't look that bad - I love the hat at a jaunty angle
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:49 am

Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:31 pm
Contrary to UK news reports Spain has not lifted it's lockdown .
We are not lifting our lockdown, some construction and industrial workers can return to work. Schools are still closed, universities are still closed, all bars, restaurants and hotels are closed, all retail shops except food outlets are closed.
We are only allowed out of our homes to shop for food, medical appointments and pharmacies and go to work if allowed as specified by the Decree.
We are only allowed to purchase essential items.... ie food, drink
We are not allowed out to exercise.
Dog owners can briefly take their pets out within immediate vicinity of home.
Our slightly eased lockdown is still way more strict than the UK one.
Fines for disobeying the lockdown START at €600.
We still have the Guardia and Army checking cars, shopping, receipts etc to ensure compliance

This is what lockdown is like.
My family's been asking if Portugal is going to "lift it's lockdown like Spain". I explained that Spain was on uberlockdown, and the "lifted" version just looks like what we've been doing here for a month already precisely so we don't end up with as many cases as Spain.

It does seem to be working, but I think only because people are taking it seriously, and I don't see any likelihood of it being actually lifted any time soon.

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by shpalman » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:28 pm

This morning, from my vantage point looking down on the town, I could see the vigili stopping cars on a relatively minor road.

These are sensitive days because deaths are coming down (but some care homes are under investigation) while cases aren't really coming down that much (but we have a lot more swabbing going on). I often wondered why the situation in the city of Milan wasn't worse, but now maybe it is; since people are generally managing to not move around (data from how phones are moving between cells is available to the authorities) all that can be said (I haven't seen any evidence) is that it's spreading within apartment blocks when people meet in their courtyards.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Stranger Mouse » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:46 am

Having been robust in my criticism of the irresponsible twunt on the park bench earlier in the thread I will now switch my attention to slagging off the nazi coppers abusing a journalist in this video

https://twitter.com/simonchilds13/statu ... 13760?s=21

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https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/epge ... s-lockdown
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by lpm » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:54 pm

New guidelines issued, that the police are supposed to follow in their Nazi enforcement activities:

- can drive to exercise, but only if "far more time" is spent exercising than the drive
- can't sit on park benches for a "long" time
- can't work outside in parks
- can buy non-essentials while out shopping for essentials
- can move to a different household for a few days if "arguments at home”
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Stranger Mouse » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:03 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:54 pm
New guidelines issued, that the police are supposed to follow in their Nazi enforcement activities:

- can drive to exercise, but only if "far more time" is spent exercising than the drive
- can't sit on park benches for a "long" time
- can't work outside in parks
- can buy non-essentials while out shopping for essentials
- can move to a different household for a few days if "arguments at home”
Link here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52312560

This is a sentence I never saw myself typing at the beginning of the year

"There is no need for all of a person's shopping to be basic food supplies; the purchase of snacks and luxuries is still permitted," it says.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Imrael » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:48 pm

Small random example of market in operation. (A Tweet without link so could be rubbish).

Apparently in the Ukrainian lockdown some parks are only open to dog walkers, resulting in a number of informal businesses renting out dogs.

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by Stranger Mouse » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:00 pm

Imrael wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:48 pm
Small random example of market in operation. (A Tweet without link so could be rubbish).

Apparently in the Ukrainian lockdown some parks are only open to dog walkers, resulting in a number of informal businesses renting out dogs.
I did notice in the UK guidelines something about being able to walk your own dog so they did look ahead for that at least
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:25 pm

Imrael wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:48 pm
Small random example of market in operation. (A Tweet without link so could be rubbish).

Apparently in the Ukrainian lockdown some parks are only open to dog walkers, resulting in a number of informal businesses renting out dogs.
During the Pokemon Go craze, there was a story (later somewhat debunked) of people renting dogs from a shelter somewhere in the US so they could pretend they weren't (just) playing the game. Several people even ended up asking if they could keep the dog, so it was a huge win for everyone.
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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by lpm » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:23 am

Bumping this thread in anticipation of the invention of the

COVID MARSHALL

It sounds like a recipe for disaster. The snooping rule-applying petty-authoritarians are going to love the chance. Do we really want private citizens to be enlisted as marshalls to do law enforcement?

The news of the COVID MARSHALLS got buried a bit by the heady excitement of the

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by headshot » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:54 am

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what some c.nt will do to your family.

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Post by mediocrity511 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:27 am

lpm wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:23 am
Bumping this thread in anticipation of the invention of the

COVID MARSHALL

It sounds like a recipe for disaster. The snooping rule-applying petty-authoritarians are going to love the chance. Do we really want private citizens to be enlisted as marshalls to do law enforcement?

The news of the COVID MARSHALLS got buried a bit by the heady excitement of the

MOONSHOT
They need an SIA license, so rather than snooping busy bodies we are going to have bouncers patrolling the streets. I'm sure that will lead to a welcoming environment.

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Re: COVID-19 Police state

Post by sTeamTraen » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:38 am

I suppose the COVID Marshalls are going to be organised via a COVID Marshall Plan, which could just be abbreviated to Marshall Plan. I think we could do with one of those.
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