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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by Martin_B » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:42 pm

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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by lpm » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:46 pm

TAFKAsoveda wrote:
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We've already mostly lost dentistry to private
We've already mostly lost eye tests to private
We've already mostly lost mental health to private
I can see the dentistry and eye tests thing but where do you get the losing mental health to “private” from?
The psychology side - lengthy waits for very mixed bag of NHS counselling, fast growth in insurance paid private. Psychiatric stuff still NHS, such as it is.
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by TAFKAsoveda » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:35 am

lpm wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:46 pm
TAFKAsoveda wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:29 pm
lpm wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:18 am
We've already mostly lost dentistry to private
We've already mostly lost eye tests to private
We've already mostly lost mental health to private
I can see the dentistry and eye tests thing but where do you get the losing mental health to “private” from?
The psychology side - lengthy waits for very mixed bag of NHS counselling, fast growth in insurance paid private. Psychiatric stuff still NHS, such as it is.
My experience from working in the field is that there is poor NHS psychology provision and little to no private provision to pick things up.
Mental healthcare is not attractive to the private sector

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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by murmur » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:05 pm

What TAFKASoveda said: in my old part of the forest there is/was some private sector inpatient stuff, but nothing in the way of any of the community stuff which I did for over half my career, let alone some of the more specialist stuff and education. Pretty much the case for adult MH too.
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by murmur » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:09 pm

I'm still curious as to how many folk contributing to or in other ways pushing all this NHS charideeeeeeeee stuff actually know how the money can and will be spent, as opposed to thinking that it will go to frontline services - all the reporting I've seen talks about "going to the NHS" in a very credulous manner.

And anyone who's voted Tory since 2010 and is doing this charideeeeeee thing or clapping can just f.ck right off to the far side of f.ck and then give themselves a good talking to.
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by Opti » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:30 pm

murmur wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:09 pm
I'm still curious as to how many folk contributing to or in other ways pushing all this NHS charideeeeeeeee stuff actually know how the money can and will be spent, as opposed to thinking that it will go to frontline services - all the reporting I've seen talks about "going to the NHS" in a very credulous manner.

And anyone who's voted Tory since 2010 and is doing this charideeeeeee thing or clapping can just f.ck right off to the far side of f.ck and then give themselves a good talking to.
^^^^^^^

This. f.cking this.

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Time for a big fat one.

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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by lpm » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:34 pm

Mental healthcare is not attractive to the private sector - for the inpatient/psychiatric/challenging stuff. It's not attractive to the NHS either, hence there's such inadequacy in services.

But psychology counselling is attractive to the private sector. Why else would it be growing so fast? Bupa and the other insurers are pushing it hard to companies - help your employees mental health by providing cover, helplines, counselling. There's a demand for it from employers and employees, the NHS is failing to provide, so capitalism steps in. Obviously the outcome is that it's the preserve of the rich and those in good jobs, and private provision is completely absent for everyone else.
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by lpm » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:43 pm

The NHS costs about £150 bn a year, nearly half of which is salaries.

How about we give all NHS employees a 1% bonus - a tiny little thank you for all the hard work and life-risking. This is in the region of £250 for a typical employee. They could buy all the PPE they can eat for that.

It would cost in the region of £700m. That's a lot more charity fundraising to be done.
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by JQH » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:25 pm

murmur wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:47 pm

What is needed is properly trained, qualified, experienced professionals in the proper numbers with access to all the necessary equipment in suitable amounts at the right time. All else is publicity seeking window dressing and deceives the public.
MrsH and I were discussing that this morning. We reckon it'll be a lovely distraction from the Government's failures - campaign to knight Captain Moore gets much more traction in the right-wing press (ie most of it) than would a campaign to have all the Cabinet members since 2016 indicted for mass culpable homicide.
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by Trinucleus » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:13 pm

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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by murmur » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:28 pm

lpm wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:34 pm
Mental healthcare is not attractive to the private sector - for the inpatient/psychiatric/challenging stuff. It's not attractive to the NHS either, hence there's such inadequacy in services.
Rather, it is not attractive to those who make the spending decisions, thus it isn't funded adequately. There are plenty of folk who will work in such services 'cos they're interested: I would've carried on with the DSH assessment team until I retired, but I could see the writing on the wall about our funding, so jumped before I was pushed.

Anyway, we are straying OT (Wot? LPM and me? With our reputations?).
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by Gfamily » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:33 pm

In terms of what the £23/4/5 Million will be spent on, here's the BBC's view
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-52325713
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Re: Charity fundraising for the NHS

Post by purplehaze » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:16 am

Opti wrote:
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Excuse me for being a curmudgeonly f.cker ... but this 99 year old, tory-voting, old c.nt is boiling my piss. A f.cking Knighthood? The c.nt should be organising a petition for the gubmint to properly fund the NHS. It's not a f.cking charity, it's socialised medicine. People shouldn't have the choice to put their hands in their pockets to hand out loose change (with their name attached, so they can show how generous they are), it should be taken at source, by a progressive tax regime with no loopholes.

Sorry if anybody takes offence. Sorry, not sorry.
Add me to the list, growing longer by the day, of being a curmudgeonly fecker. I will gladly wear that badge of honour with pride.

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