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Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 2:09 pm
by discovolante
Can anyone say what the issue might be with her tone here? Was this a Q and A where leading questions aren't allowed?
https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/125 ... 51522?s=20
Re: Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 2:10 pm
by headshot
I suspect it was because she was speaking with the voice of a woman...
Re: Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 3:55 pm
by Fishnut
Re: Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 4:12 pm
by Woodchopper
headshot wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 2:10 pm
I suspect it was because she was speaking with the voice of a woman...
... who doesn’t know her place.
Re: Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 4:19 pm
by Gfamily
He's very good.
I'm really impressed how "The Mash Report" has kept its quality up, certainly in comparison to HIGNFY, which is really struggling with the constraints of working remotely.
Re: Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 6:17 pm
by Little waster
Re: Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 6:54 pm
by FlammableFlower
That is a really low comment. If your first choice of response is "Patronising" then a) don't speak and b) go away and have a good long look at yourself and take that moment to see what you've become (and it isn't nice).
"Hey Matt, not long now, you'll sound just like the president of the USA. Practice saying "that's a nasty question" in front of the mirror and you'll get there in no time."
Also - Nish is brilliant.
Re: Tone
Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 8:04 pm
by jimbob
FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:54 pm
That is a really low comment. If your first choice of response is "Patronising" then a) don't speak and b) go away and have a good long look at yourself and take that moment to see what you've become (and it isn't nice).
"Hey Matt, not long now, you'll sound just like the president of the USA. Practice saying "that's a nasty question" in front of the mirror and you'll get there in no time."
Also - Nish is brilliant.
I think Hancock has been treated worse than any President since Lincoln.
Re: Tone
Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 3:51 pm
by raven
headshot wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 2:10 pm
I suspect it was because she was speaking with the voice of a woman...
I reckon it was because she made mention of manipulating the testing numbers. The truth hurts.
(Doctor who works on front line in A&E gets understandable angry while talking about breaking bad news to families and our woefully poor testing regime which is partly to blame for that happening so often. Man responsible for lack of testing asks her to watch her tone... Not good optics at all.)
Re: Tone
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 3:53 pm
by tom p
raven wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 3:51 pm
headshot wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 2:10 pm
I suspect it was because she was speaking with the voice of a woman...
I reckon it was because she made mention of manipulating the testing numbers. The truth hurts.
(Doctor who works on front line in A&E gets understandable angry while talking about breaking bad news to families and our woefully poor testing regime which is partly to blame for that happening so often. Man responsible for lack of testing asks her to watch her tone... Not good optics at all.)
She didn't seem angry though
Re: Tone
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:14 pm
by EACLucifer
tom p wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 3:53 pm
raven wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 3:51 pm
headshot wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 2:10 pm
I suspect it was because she was speaking with the voice of a woman...
I reckon it was because she made mention of manipulating the testing numbers. The truth hurts.
(Doctor who works on front line in A&E gets understandable angry while talking about breaking bad news to families and our woefully poor testing regime which is partly to blame for that happening so often. Man responsible for lack of testing asks her to watch her tone... Not good optics at all.)
She didn't seem angry though
The Tories seem to have decided that any question that isn't designed to flatter the Tory it is aimed at is somehow inappropriate and rude.
Re: Tone
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 11:42 pm
by raven
tom p wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 3:53 pm
She didn't seem angry though
She didn't seem angry to you?
She did to me. A constrained and focused anger. Not outwardly livid or anything like that, but angry nonetheless I thought. It would be hard not to be in her shoes, I think.
Re: Tone
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 1:41 am
by Millennie Al
Her questioning was sharp, while the answering fell flat.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 9:21 am
by tom p
raven wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 11:42 pm
tom p wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 3:53 pm
She didn't seem angry though
She didn't seem angry to you?
She did to me. A constrained and focused anger. Not outwardly livid or anything like that, but angry nonetheless I thought. It would be hard not to be in her shoes, I think.
Sorry, badly worded.
Her tone of voice didn't come across as at all angry. Her body language had the look of a woman constraining her rage, for sure, but her voice didn't, which makes Hancock's dickish response even more dickish
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 12:05 pm
by Tessa K
He's a pompous, bullying, privileged white male who doesn't like being asked difficult questions by a woman.
Next question.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:05 pm
by AMS
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:20 pm
by Tessa K
I am staying alert to my tone.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:30 pm
by discovolante
Yes IMO it was a racist, sexist comment, but because he didn't say anything racist and sexist anyone who doesn't already agree thinks you're being ridiculous because nobody could possibly be racist and sexist unless they use actual racist and sexist language. And if she calls him out on it she will be mocked.
I remember seeing a clip of Dawn Butler calling Boris Johnson racist on some TV news chat show thing and the presenters lost their sh.t, presumably because no Prime Minister could ever be racist. Which is a pretty big problem eh.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:52 pm
by EACLucifer
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:30 pm
I remember seeing a clip of Dawn Butler calling Boris Johnson racist on some TV news chat show thing and the presenters lost their sh.t, presumably because no Prime Minister could ever be racist. Which is a pretty big problem eh.
This is particularly frustrating as one does not even need to infer anything from his actions, there's been explicit statements from him before.
ETA: Not to say that one can't infer prejudice from actions, obviously, and it fits with Johnson, but people losing their sh.t over someone being accused of being racist, when he's said downright racist stuff openly, is pretty ridiculous.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:53 pm
by discovolante
EACLucifer wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:52 pm
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:30 pm
I remember seeing a clip of Dawn Butler calling Boris Johnson racist on some TV news chat show thing and the presenters lost their sh.t, presumably because no Prime Minister could ever be racist. Which is a pretty big problem eh.
This is particularly frustrating as one does not even need to infer anything from his actions, there's been explicit statements from him before.
Yes exactly.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:47 pm
by murmur
Tessa K wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:05 pm
He's a pompous, bullying, privileged white male who doesn't like being asked difficult questions by a woman.
Next question.
Looks like that to me - especially a woman who is far better qualified and experienced in the relevant area than him (what exactly is Hancock qualified and experienced in?).
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 5:01 pm
by discovolante
murmur wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:47 pm
Tessa K wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:05 pm
He's a pompous, bullying, privileged white male who doesn't like being asked difficult questions by a woman.
Next question.
Looks like that to me - especially a woman who is far better qualified and experienced in the relevant area than him (what exactly is Hancock qualified and experienced in?).
Funnily enough, PPE. He got a first. I wonder if that's where he gets confused now.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 5:28 pm
by Little waster
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:01 pm
murmur wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:47 pm
Tessa K wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:05 pm
He's a pompous, bullying, privileged white male who doesn't like being asked difficult questions by a woman.
Next question.
Looks like that to me - especially a woman who is far better qualified and experienced in the relevant area than him (what exactly is Hancock qualified and experienced in?).
Funnily enough, PPE. He got a first. I wonder if that's where he gets confused now.
The one area of the public realm where a shortage of PPE would be appreciated.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 5:59 pm
by Tessa K
Little waster wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:28 pm
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:01 pm
murmur wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:47 pm
Looks like that to me - especially a woman who is far better qualified and experienced in the relevant area than him (what exactly is Hancock qualified and experienced in?).
Funnily enough, PPE. He got a first. I wonder if that's where he gets confused now.
The one area of the public realm where a shortage of PPE would be appreciated.
Shame the philosophy P didn't have more on ethics. Or maybe he skipped that bit.
Re: Tone
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 6:20 pm
by jimbob
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:30 pm
Yes IMO it was a racist, sexist comment, but because he didn't say anything racist and sexist anyone who doesn't already agree thinks you're being ridiculous because nobody could possibly be racist and sexist unless they use actual racist and sexist language. And if she calls him out on it she will be mocked.
I remember seeing a clip of Dawn Butler calling Boris Johnson racist on some TV news chat show thing and the presenters lost their sh.t, presumably because no Prime Minister could ever be racist. Which is a pretty big problem eh.
Yes.
Still he's probably sunk his political career with that one statement. And Dr Allin-Khan really looked appropriately angry, but controlled and civil. And also far his superior.
And not only better-qualified, but also quicker-witted.