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Re: International travel

Post by sTeamTraen » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:49 am

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Re: International travel

Post by TimW » Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:49 am
Any lawyers here? https://twitter.com/sTeamTraen/status/1 ... 50282?s=20
The answer seems to be quarantine:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england wrote: Children who are UK residents
On arrival in England, children aged 5 to 17 who are ordinarily resident in the UK:
must take a COVID-19 travel test on or before day 2
do not have to quarantine
If they’ve been in France in the 10 days before arriving in England, they must follow the rules for children who are not UK residents.

Children who are not UK residents
On arrival in England, children aged 5 to 17 who are not ordinarily resident in the UK:
must take a COVID-19 test on or before day 2 and on or after day 8
must quarantine at home or in the place they’re staying for 10 full days


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Re: International travel

Post by shpalman » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:07 pm

Meanwhile I just registered with Slovakia to confirm that I won't need to quarantine thanks to my two vaccinations as reported on my Green Pass when I drive there at the weekend.
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Re: International travel

Post by Gfamily » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:16 pm

Although our NHS vaccination certificates were accepted for upload by the French TousAntiCovid app, they weren't accepted by the French Verif app when we tried to get into a Museum.

However, because it was quiet they were happy for us to enter when we showed them the NHS certificates on our NHS app.
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Re: International travel

Post by sTeamTraen » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:14 am

TimW wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am
sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:49 am
Any lawyers here? https://twitter.com/sTeamTraen/status/1 ... 50282?s=20
The answer seems to be quarantine:
Those are the old rules. They should have been replaced with new text when the EU certificates were allowed, but instead there is now a supplementary panel for EU/US certificates. :roll:

However, on reflection, the intent is clear: Children only get out of quarantine if their parent's could have got out of quarantine by being vaccinated. Since that isn't the case for parents coming from France, the children have to quarantine too. Hopefully "amber plus" will be dropped soon.
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Re: International travel

Post by shpalman » Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:22 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:14 am
TimW wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am
sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:49 am
Any lawyers here? https://twitter.com/sTeamTraen/status/1 ... 50282?s=20
The answer seems to be quarantine:
Those are the old rules. They should have been replaced with new text when the EU certificates were allowed, but instead there is now a supplementary panel for EU/US certificates. :roll:

However, on reflection, the intent is clear: Children only get out of quarantine if their parent's could have got out of quarantine by being vaccinated. Since that isn't the case for parents coming from France, the children have to quarantine too. Hopefully "amber plus" will be dropped soon.
Depends, I mean, you might have popped over to Réunion for half a day while you were in France.
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Re: International travel

Post by Gfamily » Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:41 am

shpalman wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:22 am
sTeamTraen wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:14 am
TimW wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am

The answer seems to be quarantine:
Those are the old rules. They should have been replaced with new text when the EU certificates were allowed, but instead there is now a supplementary panel for EU/US certificates. :roll:

However, on reflection, the intent is clear: Children only get out of quarantine if their parent's could have got out of quarantine by being vaccinated. Since that isn't the case for parents coming from France, the children have to quarantine too. Hopefully "amber plus" will be dropped soon.
Depends, I mean, you might have popped over to Réunion for half a day while you were in France.
Reckoned to be the longest scheduled 'internal' flight in the world.
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Re: International travel

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Re: International travel

Post by Gfamily » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:32 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:16 pm
Although our NHS vaccination certificates were accepted for upload by the French TousAntiCovid app, they weren't accepted by the French Verif app when we tried to get into a Museum.

However, because it was quiet they were happy for us to enter when we showed them the NHS certificates on our NHS app.
This evening, we're at an outdoor music event, where the 'pass sanitaire' was 'obligatoire', but this time our imported NHS QR codes were accepted.
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Re: International travel

Post by sTeamTraen » Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:19 pm

If you test positive for Covid here in Mallorca, they put you in a quarantine hotel. This is in a hotel building, but basically run like a hospital (e.g., deliveries of McDonald's are considered contraband). This guest is unimpressed.
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Re: International travel

Post by shpalman » Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:51 pm

I've just driven to Slovakia. At a lunch stop in Austria I was asked for my Green Pass when I sat outside at the bar, the waiter just looked at the printed pdf and it was fine. Crossing the border at Bratislava the border guard was happy with my printout of the acknowledgment of my registration to enter Slovakia, didn't need anything else. There seemed to be more of a queue on the other side for exiting Slovakia and entering Austria though so we'll see how that goes in two weeks' time.

Nobody in Germany or Austria seems to be wearing masks outside anymore.
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Re: International travel

Post by Herainestold » Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:21 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:19 pm
If you test positive for Covid here in Mallorca, they put you in a quarantine hotel. This is in a hotel building, but basically run like a hospital (e.g., deliveries of McDonald's are considered contraband). This guest is unimpressed.
"The guests/patients are allowed to order meals outside, (as well as other basic supplies) but not processed food, as per the doctor's prescription.
I am in favour of strict restrictions, but I can't see how food from macca's is any kind of health threat.
The most humane way to handle this might be to restrict travel completely until this pandemic emergency is over.
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Re: International travel

Post by Herainestold » Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:22 pm

shpalman wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:51 pm

Nobody in Germany or Austria seems to be wearing masks outside anymore.
Not good.
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Re: International travel

Post by Woodchopper » Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:45 pm

I went on a camping trip to Sweden earlier this week.

No checks at all going into Sweden.

Driving into Norway there were checks on everyone’s vaccine certificates and ID papers, and everyone got a rapid test (result took half an hour).

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Re: International travel

Post by Herainestold » Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:54 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:45 pm
I went on a camping trip to Sweden earlier this week.

No checks at all going into Sweden.

Driving into Norway there were checks on everyone’s vaccine certificates and ID papers, and everyone got a rapid test (result took half an hour).
What about masks?
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Re: International travel

Post by shpalman » Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:05 am

Herainestold wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:22 pm
shpalman wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:51 pm

Nobody in Germany or Austria seems to be wearing masks outside anymore.
Not good.
But when they do wear masks, in the supermarket for example, they tend to be FFP2. I think this kind of mask isn't mandatory but was at one point, and people are either still in the habit or just bought loads at the time so are still using them.
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Re: International travel

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:28 pm

Things are getting complicated for people with non-standard lives.

The UK's quarantine exemption for vaccinated people does not apply if:
- You have had two doses of different vaccines (even 1 Pfizer and 1 Moderna)
- Your country only gives one dose (except Janssen) to people who have had Covid

We have people locally in both of those situations. Explanatory notes were added to the UK government's "how to quarantine" website at several points in the past week.

My guess is that in practice nobody's going to get denied the "amber-to-green" upgrade if they try, as all the checking is done at the departure airport and most Spanish (at least) gate staff probably CBA about that level of complexity from the UK, when they already have 30 other countries' idiosyncrasies to deal with. But I helped someone yesterday whose 75yo Mum has to travel and doesn't want to quarantine, and is in the "one dose plus Covid" situation. She isn't going to take the risk of being denied boarding. This all feels so unnecessary.
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Re: International travel

Post by Herainestold » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:44 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:28 pm
Things are getting complicated for people with non-standard lives.

The UK's quarantine exemption for vaccinated people does not apply if:
- You have had two doses of different vaccines (even 1 Pfizer and 1 Moderna)
- Your country only gives one dose (except Janssen) to people who have had Covid

We have people locally in both of those situations. Explanatory notes were added to the UK government's "how to quarantine" website at several points in the past week.

My guess is that in practice nobody's going to get denied the "amber-to-green" upgrade if they try, as all the checking is done at the departure airport and most Spanish (at least) gate staff probably CBA about that level of complexity from the UK, when they already have 30 other countries' idiosyncrasies to deal with. But I helped someone yesterday whose 75yo Mum has to travel and doesn't want to quarantine, and is in the "one dose plus Covid" situation. She isn't going to take the risk of being denied boarding. This all feels so unnecessary.
Either simplify the system - two WHO approved vaxes plus negative test- no matter which country, or close the borders like Oz, NZ, and China until the situation stabilizes (one year, ten years?). This side show is comic and helps nobody.
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Re: International travel

Post by sTeamTraen » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:34 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:44 pm
Either simplify the system - two WHO approved vaxes plus negative test- no matter which country, or close the borders like Oz, NZ, and China until the situation stabilizes (one year, ten years?). This side show is comic and helps nobody.
This is an example of what in French is called "Yaka Faucon". Do you have any plan for how it might be achieved?
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Re: International travel

Post by Herainestold » Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:33 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:34 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:44 pm
Either simplify the system - two WHO approved vaxes plus negative test- no matter which country, or close the borders like Oz, NZ, and China until the situation stabilizes (one year, ten years?). This side show is comic and helps nobody.
This is an example of what in French is called "Yaka Faucon". Do you have any plan for how it might be achieved?
When I am in charge I will have an immaculate plan.
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Re: International travel

Post by sTeamTraen » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:36 pm

It's becoming clear from the requests that I help with on Facebook that some people are determined not to get vaccinated even with the obstacles that are being put in their way for travelling. "Hi, what do I need to go to the UK, not vaccinated. And can I get round quarantine somehow?" -- yes, you can get vaccinated. I try to help them with non-judgmental info, but sometimes other people say "Why don"t you just get vaccinated" and then the anti-vax nonsense comes out. Occasionally it's genuine hesitancy, but their main timeline usually gives it away.
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Re: International travel

Post by shpalman » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:47 pm

Seven destinations to be added to England’s Covid travel green list

Including Switzerland you f.cking idiots.
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Re: International travel

Post by shpalman » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:58 am

shpalman wrote:
Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:47 pm
Seven destinations to be added to England’s Covid travel green list

Including Switzerland you f.cking idiots.

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Meanwhile the US says Switzerland - Level 4: Do Not Travel you f.cking idiots.*

* - they're not f.cking idiots.**

** - yes they are, but that's not why.
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