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shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 am

Their cases are going up too!

That French curve is very similar to Germany's. Looks small, but it's still exponential growth. My prediction is that both countries will be back in the sh.t in a month if they don't tighten up their measures.

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Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:28 pm

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 am

Their cases are going up too!

That French curve is very similar to Germany's. Looks small, but it's still exponential growth. My prediction is that both countries will be back in the sh.t in a month if they don't tighten up their measures.


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Portugal is proving that point nicely right about now

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pm

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Who needs France anyway.

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To be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).

Personally I like to be able to walk along pavements unobstructed, and dislike public spaces being privatised.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pm

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Who needs France anyway.

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To be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).

Cafes would probably be ok. Town council and pubs/cafes have created a ‘European style’ outdoor dining area near the town centre here, since covid. It’s a bit less Parisian cafes and more Benidorm. On a hot, sunny day like today there will be a riot van parked there all day. Last bank holiday they put an ambulance there too, but I think they are all busy now.

I’d imagine there’s some very drunk, sunburnt people out there right now.

OffTheRock wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:47 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pm

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Who needs France anyway.

IMG_20210717_171322_735.jpg

To be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).

Cafes would probably be ok. Town council and pubs/cafes have created a ‘European style’ outdoor dining area near the town centre here, since covid. It’s a bit less Parisian cafes and more Benidorm. On a hot, sunny day like today there will be a riot van parked there all day. Last bank holiday they put an ambulance there too, but I think they are all busy now.

I’d imagine there’s some very drunk, sunburnt people out there right now.

So just like Benidorm.

Who needs to worry about Red and Amber and quarantine and tests and vaccine passports when we can have the same experience much closer to home.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:04 pm

Got nasally gouged for 100€ this afternoon.

Was an interesting set-up - don't think I've seen a drive-through marquee before.

Ours in UK was 70p cheaper.
-ve result fortunately.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pm

To be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).

There shouldn't be heaters regarless of decarbonisation. It's just plain wasteful.

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

I was in and terrace cafe Santa Monica in 20c temps and they had the outdoor heaters on. I asked them to turn them off over our tables and the people (in T-shirt and shorts) next to us objected, saying they would get cold. I told them to “put a f.cking sweater on”. They didn’t appreciate that.

Sciolus wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:14 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pm

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Who needs France anyway.

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To be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).

Personally I like to be able to walk along pavements unobstructed, and dislike public spaces being privatised.

I agree. There's an on-going row in my home town (Whitby) because some cafe owner has filled the Battery (a public space) with tables and chairs, blocking one of the access routes to the beach.

Yes, I suppose the shortage of suitable spaces is a bit of an impediment. The UK doesn't really do wide pavements and big squares in the first place.

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 am

Quarantine to remain for travellers returning to the UK, which has a large number of cases of a somewhat vaccine-resistant variant (delta) from France in case they bring a vaccine-resistant variant (beta) with them.

Their cases are going up too!

Apparently it's only one particular bit "of France" which has a problem with the Beta.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ine-change

But it spreads to other areas. In England it spread from the NW to NE.

Sciolus wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:14 pm

Personally I like to be able to walk along pavements unobstructed, and dislike public spaces being privatised.

I'm in New York at the moment. Most of the restaurants now have some outdoor seating, but they've taken over parking spaces rather than sidewalks. There are temporary structures that separate you from the traffic and shelter you from the elements a bit. I like it.

headshot wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:41 am

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

Actually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:04 am

headshot wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:41 am

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

Actually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.

Aren't most outdoor heaters those radiant heaters and meant to heat bodies rather than air?

headshot wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:41 am

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

Why? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:04 am

headshot wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:41 am

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

Actually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.

A heat source can be at ground level.

In the category of wasted international travel https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... en-network

tom p wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:17 am

headshot wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:41 am

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

Why? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.

Because sitting outside if you consider it too cold to do so, is as stupid as sitting in full sun if you consider it too hot to do so. Would you sit in full sun and try to cool the air around you? No, you'd sit in the shade or move to a cooler indoor space.

Too cold? Put on more clothes or move indoors. Don't heat the outdoors to make it more comfortable for your personal idea of warmth.

I'm not talking about existential levels of heating here - such as our ancestors experienced - I'm talking about being comfortable whilst having a latte in a modern urban setting where other options are clearly available.


*All of this is pre-Covid, of course.

headshot wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:06 am

tom p wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:17 am

headshot wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:41 am

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

Why? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.

Because sitting outside if you consider it too cold to do so, is as stupid as sitting in full sun if you consider it too hot to do so. Would you sit in full sun and try to cool the air around you? No, you'd sit in the shade or move to a cooler indoor space.

Too cold? Put on more clothes or move indoors. Don't heat the outdoors to make it more comfortable for your personal idea of warmth.

I'm not talking about existential levels of heating here - such as our ancestors experienced - I'm talking about being comfortable whilst having a latte in a modern urban setting where other options are clearly available.


*All of this is pre-Covid, of course.

Environmentally, fair enough, but the way you wrote it is seemed like you were questioning the efficacy.

As for stupidity, you're just being silly. It's perfectly possible to go out when it's lovely and warm and you don't need a sweater, then be having such a nice time that you decide you want to stay where you are rather than go home. But now it's cooler and it's definitely sweater weather. Would you rather stay outside, e.g. in the beer garden, or go inside where it's darker, dingier & less fresh and there's an increased risk of catching an airborne respiratory illness from the other people around?

International travel during covid sucks.

I've had palpitations pretty much non stop for the last week, as there have just been so many things to potentially go wrong.

None if it happened - even the surprise baggage handler strike at the weekend was done by this morning. I'm now in Iceland, quarantining in a hotel for the next 5 days before I can get on with my PhD shizz.

Hopefully by tomorrow whatever's trying to fight its way out of my ribcage will have dissipated.

Shitloads of tourists here, though. Apparently they don't share my disposition!

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shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:13 am

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:10 pm

JQH wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:31 pm

I wonder when the Euros and Olympics are going to be postponed (again).

Tokyo 2020 Games may have to be held behind closed doors, says Lord Coe

A person has tested positive for Covid-19 at the Tokyo Olympics athletes’ village!

I am completely shocked by this occurrence!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57888745

A female United States gymnast tested positive for Covid and a team member has been identified as a close contact.

Earlier organisers confirmed six new cases connected to the Olympics including media, contractors and other personnel, bringing the total number of positive cases to 62.

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:59 pm

shpalman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 am

Quarantine to remain for travellers returning to the UK, which has a large number of cases of a somewhat vaccine-resistant variant (delta) from France in case they bring a vaccine-resistant variant (beta) with them.

Their cases are going up too!

Apparently it's only one particular bit "of France" which has a problem with the Beta.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ine-change

Now it seems you don't have to self-isolate if you're coming from that bit "of France": https://twitter.com/AlexSeale/status/14 ... 82635?s=19

headshot wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:41 am

Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.

Restaurants in Dubai have outdoor aircon. The terrace area will have fans on three sides blowing cold air over the diners.

On two of the three side this then creates a problem of even hotter air than ambient being blown vigorously over diners at the terrace of the restaurant next door. So that restaurant also has to install air conditioners. Walking between the backs of the two sets of units blowing hot air at each other is not recommended.

On the third side this means that any pedestrians walking past get hit by air at 60C instead of the prevailing 42C. But anyone walking in Dubai is a poor immigrant worker and so can f.ck off, we're having a gorgeous lunch here darling mwah mwah.

tl;dr Dubai is the canonical shithole.