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Re: International travel
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:19 pm
by shpalman
France suspends transit ban for UK nationals during Christmas period
It had been thought that exemptions covered those crossing France in order to get to their home in another EU country.
However on Wednesday, both P&O and Eurotunnel said the French government had issued new rules meaning British people could "no longer transit France by road to reach their country of residence in the EU" unless they hold French residency.
The British government said it was "urgently" seeking clarification about any new restrictions that would affect UK nationals.
In response, the French government insisted that UK nationals who reside in another EU country are deemed to be "third country nationals" and are therefore not allowed to cross France to get home under the current Covid rules.
However, it noted that "a large number of British nationals residing in an EU country have travelled in good faith to the UK for the festive season and are experiencing difficulties in reaching their country of residence".
"Faced with this situation, instructions of tolerance have been sent to police officers at the borders with the United Kingdom, in order to allow these nationals to transit through France to reach their residence in a country of the European Union".
Re: International travel
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:22 pm
by Gfamily
So much for the tweets saying "Oh, so it seems France can control its borders despite being in the EU"
Looks like IABMCTT
Re: International travel
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:59 pm
by sTeamTraen
shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:15 pm
sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:15 am
The Guardian article seems to say both yes and no. It's almost as if the writer's intention was to fill space with anecdotes than to convey precise information in an unambiguous manner.
It's almost as if the British don't actually understand the concept of being resident somewhere.
Most UK newspapers seem to have trouble sorting out the difference between holiday rental villa businesses, second homes, and people's main residence, when those are in the EU. They just all become "How Brexit will affect Brits abroad". Again, it makes sense if you think that the point is to fill space and get readers to go "kuh! typical!" rather than to actually inform anyone.
Re: International travel
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:34 am
by shpalman
Re: International travel
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:44 am
by Bird on a Fire
That's heroic! What a nice lady.
Re: International travel
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:50 pm
by secret squirrel
At around 4pm today the UAE updated, without prior warning, their flight regulations for transit passengers from the UK to require PCR tests within 48 hours of departure (used to be 72), effective immediately. This invalidated, by 4 hours, the tests I did this morning, meaning I had to scramble to book 2 emergency same day tests on new years day. I can't imagine my wife and I are the only people caught out by this. Could be a pretty empty flight.
Re: International travel
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:36 am
by shpalman
Two thirds of the 25 staff based in Belgium's Princess Elisabeth Polar Station in the Antarctic have caught Covid
All 25 researchers were fully vaccinated and one had a booster shot. Before leaving for the station, they underwent a PCR test in Belgium two hours before flying to South Africa.
In South Africa, they quarantined for 10 days and took another PCR test. A further test was needed when leaving Cape Town for Antarctica and a final one five days after that.
One person tested positive seven days after arriving at the station on December 14. The person was isolated but tests revealed two others had caught the virus. The three were evacuated on December 23 but the virus has continued to spread.
Re: International travel
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:39 am
by shpalman
Re: International travel
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:53 pm
by shpalman
Re: International travel
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:51 pm
by Herainestold
When the real risk was ordering something from Canada.
Re: International travel
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:19 am
by shpalman
... a maskless “disruptive customer” forced American Airlines’ flight AAL38 flying from Miami to London to turn around and go back
The reversal occurred off the North Carolina coast, after the flight had traveled about 500 miles.
The customer, described by police as a woman in her 40s, was “refusing to comply with the federal mask requirement”
Re: International travel
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:22 pm
by shpalman
Two-thirds of passengers on first flight to Covid-free Kiribati test positive for covid
After remaining Covid-free for the entirety of the pandemic, Kiribati has reopened its borders – only for two thirds of the passengers on the first international flight to arrive in ten months to test positive for the virus.
The island nation is now set to impose a four-day lockdown from Monday after the virus was found to have spread into the community.
All 54 passengers, 36 of whom were diagnosed with Covid after arriving from Fiji last Friday, have now been quarantined and are recovering well, according to authorities.
Re: International travel
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:34 pm
by Bird on a Fire
f.cking hell. How is that even possible?
Re: International travel
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:32 pm
by shpalman
Re: International travel
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:52 pm
by Herainestold
As usual with this lot, makes no sense.
Omicron affects the vaccinated more than the unvaccinated as it is usually not severe in the vaxxed. It kills the unvaxxed.
So vaccinated travellers are very likely to be carrying transmissible Omicron. Which they will pass on to the unvaxxed (mostly children).
Some of the fully vaxxed and boosted will succumb as well, so upping the level of prevalence is not good, even for the mostly protected vaccinated population.
Re: International travel
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:04 pm
by shpalman
Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:52 pm
As usual with this lot, makes no sense.
It makes no sense because you let people in from outside when
they don't have covid, not when
you don't have covid.
Re: International travel
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:17 pm
by Herainestold
shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:04 pm
Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:52 pm
As usual with this lot, makes no sense.
It makes no sense because you let people in from outside when
they don't have covid, not when
you don't have covid.
We don't have covid? We have plenty of covid to go around if anybody wants some.
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:02 am
by shpalman
Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:17 pm
shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:04 pm
Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:52 pm
As usual with this lot, makes no sense.
It makes no sense because you let people in from outside when
they don't have covid, not when
you don't have covid.
We don't have covid? We have plenty of covid to go around if anybody wants some.
The UK prime minister, Boris Johnson, says he plans to make changes to testing rules for international travellers who are fully vaccinated, given that Britain is “moving through the Omicron wave”.
He told broadcasters during a visit to the Academic Centre in Milton Keynes hospital:
Although we have to be cautious, we are now moving through the Omicron wave, and you can see the figures are starting to get better.
So what we’re doing on travel, to show that this country is open for business, open for travellers, you will see changes so that people arriving no longer have to take tests if they have been vaccinated, if they have been double vaccinated.”
Britain is "moving through the Omicron wave" and its "figures are starting to get better". Must be true, the prime minister said it. And because Britain is getting better, you can now come to Britain from anywhere else without testing. Makes no sense. Of course it would be cynical to suggest this was a desperate bid for approval to tell people they can go on holiday because they don't have to test on the way back, thus spreading your sh.t over anywhere else in the world which does have it better than England, while dragging the sh.t back from any place which has it worse where it can fuel another spike following the lifting of Plan B.
It's like all these "signs that restrictions could soon be over" which is actually just some politician saying that restrictions could soon be over, not anything to do with looking at the
actual numbers and seeing which way they're going (i.e. not down anymore). It's ok,
intensive care numbers won't go up as long as
people die quickly enough.
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:05 am
by shpalman
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:21 pm
by Herainestold
Forget about vaccination status, in the Omicron era it is no protection against infection. The only thing that should count is multiple (at least two) negative PCR tests.
I really think the border should be sealed, except for essential travel, u til the pandemic is actually over. 2025? Maybe?
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:21 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:21 pm
Forget about vaccination status, in the Omicron era it is no protection against infection. The only thing that should count is multiple (at least two) negative PCR tests.
I really think the border should be sealed, except for essential travel, u til the pandemic is actually over. 2025? Maybe?
Infection schminfection, it's a good protection against serious illness and death. Let vaxed negative-test ppl do what they like.
It's not going away unless we can regularly jab the whole world, which we can't, so we're stuck with it forever.
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:02 pm
by Herainestold
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:21 pm
Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:21 pm
Forget about vaccination status, in the Omicron era it is no protection against infection. The only thing that should count is multiple (at least two) negative PCR tests.
I really think the border should be sealed, except for essential travel, u til the pandemic is actually over. 2025? Maybe?
Infection schminfection, it's a good protection against serious illness and death. Let vaxed negative-test ppl do what they like.
It's not going away unless we can regularly jab the whole world, which we can't, so we're stuck with it forever.
Why do we have these regulations? If we are trying to control infections, then insist on negative PCR tests (plural). Or close the borders.
If we are worried about foreigners taking up valuable NHS beds, insist on triple vaccination. Or close the borders.
I agree it is not going to go away. Ever. We do need to get it to a place where society can function and the NHS is not overwhelmed.
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:11 pm
by shpalman
There might as well be free* travel between countries and/or regions which have similar covid prevalences, assuming they trust each other's data collection regimes. I never really understood the idea of a high-prevalence country opening up to countries which have low prevalence and then expecting reciprocal arrangements.
* - for the appropriately vaccinated; countries need to trust each other's vaccinations too.
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:13 pm
by lpm
The NHS was not overwhelmed by the Christmas wave. It now never will be, unless there's a deadly variant with Omi speed out there.
Which means it now nothing but a fight to get more resources into the NHS for the next couple of decades to cope with the on going health need.
Re: International travel
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:23 pm
by WFJ
Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:02 pm
Why do we have these regulations? If we are trying to control infections, then insist on negative PCR tests (plural). Or close the borders.
If we are worried about foreigners taking up valuable NHS beds, insist on triple vaccination. Or close the borders.
I agree it is not going to go away. Ever. We do need to get it to a place where society can function and the NHS is not overwhelmed.
What possible use would more than one PCR have? Are false negatives due to testing errors a big problem? If not then a series of negative tests prior to the most recent tells you nothing.
