COVID-19 in the United States

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by Gfamily » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:08 pm

dyqik wrote:
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Hurricane Maria in 2017 was 3,507.
Not sure if that was all in one day, but yeah, that one may be missing.
Not all in US either - though mostly in Puerto Rico.
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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by jimbob » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:08 am

dyqik wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:47 pm
lpm wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:51 am
Well that list is obviously flawed.

Where's the 1918-19 flu pandemic? That must have peaked at this sort of range even with the much lower population.
How about the other disease outbreaks of the 19th Century?
Not sure about 1918-19 flu, but it may never have spread as widely as fast, meaning the death rate might have been more spread out over the pandemic (675,000 deaths over just under a year, is 2000ish per day at a constant rate. We're not that high an annual rate yet, but give it a few weeks). Earlier outbreaks are unlikely to make this list, as the population was so much smaller, and travel so much less.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:51 am
Where's the San Francisco earthquake?
Official death toll of 700, and an estimate 3-4 times that in total, over more than one day, means it doesn't make the list (any more, at least).
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D-Day was 2,500 US soldiers.
Not in the US, although they are US people. Going down the route of "what does American History mean here?" probably means you need to include Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, etc. And D-Day will have dropped off the list now, as there have been 13 days of >3000 CoVID deaths now.
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Hurricane Maria in 2017 was 3,507.
Not sure if that was all in one day, but yeah, that one may be missing.
In the UK the last year that had over 600000 deaths was 1918
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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by Woodchopper » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:52 pm

COVID-19 has generated a huge mortality toll in the United States, with a disproportionate number of deaths occurring among the Black and Latino populations. Measures of life expectancy quantify these disparities in an easily interpretable way. We project that COVID-19 will reduce US life expectancy in 2020 by 1.13 y. Estimated reductions for the Black and Latino populations are 3 to 4 times that for Whites. Consequently, COVID-19 is expected to reverse over 10 y of progress made in closing the Black−White gap in life expectancy and reduce the previous Latino mortality advantage by over 70%. Some reduction in life expectancy may persist beyond 2020 because of continued COVID-19 mortality and long-term health, social, and economic impacts of the pandemic.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/5/e2014746118

A good riposte to those who claim its no worse than normal seasonal flu.

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Post by dyqik » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:37 pm

This was mentioned over the political threads, but the Trump administration has been lying about the number of vaccine doses it has. After announcing that it wasn't going to hold back doses for second jabs any more, it turns out that it hadn't actually been holding any back, and has already basically run out.

We were probably looking at April at the very earliest for under 65s to start getting doses here in Massachusetts, before this news appeared.

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Post by shpalman » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:20 pm

dyqik wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:37 pm
This was mentioned over the political threads, but the Trump administration has been lying about the number of vaccine doses it has. After announcing that it wasn't going to hold back doses for second jabs any more, it turns out that it hadn't actually been holding any back, and has already basically run out.

We were probably looking at April at the very earliest for under 65s to start getting doses here in Massachusetts, before this news appeared.
Pity, the US seemed to be achieving a fairly respectable normalized-for-population rate.
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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by bolo » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:02 pm

A lot of variability by state, though, and not necessarily in a way that I would have anticipated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... doses.html

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Post by dyqik » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:26 pm

bolo wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:02 pm
A lot of variability by state, though, and not necessarily in a way that I would have anticipated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... doses.html
Some otherwise sensible governors can't seem to get past the idea that you mustn't give the vaccine to anyone who isn't on the appropriate high priority list, even if the dose would otherwise be thrown out.

Cuomo and Baker have both been doing that.

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Post by monkey » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 am

bolo wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:02 pm
A lot of variability by state, though, and not necessarily in a way that I would have anticipated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... doses.html
There's plenty of variability within states too.

We're pretty good round here, we have sensible people running things. A rural county just south of me has no vaccinations being done because it doesn't have a health department, which the state health department decided should organise things.

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Post by Woodchopper » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:44 pm

Oklahoma trying to return its $2m stockpile of hydroxychloroquine
The Oklahoma Attorney General’s Office has been tasked with attempting to return a $2 million stockpile of a malaria drug once touted by former President Donald Trump as a way to treat the coronavirus.
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Post by Herainestold » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:53 pm

Oregon is considering giving priority to BIPOC people in vaccine roll out.



Oregon's COVID-19 vaccine committee has proposed prioritizing shots to communities of color in order to tackle 'structural racism' in healthcare.

The state's 27-member COVID-19 Vaccine Advisory Committee recommended Thursday that the next eligible group to get the shot should be the roughly 806,000 people that make up the BIPOC - black, indigenous, and other people of color - communities across the state.
But such a move comes after communities of color have been disproportionately affected by the pandemic across both Oregon and the nation.

CDC data shows that black people and Hispanic people are both 2.8 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than white people.

American Indian or Alaska Natives are 2.6 times and Asian people 1.1 times more likely.

Communities of color are also more likely to suffer worse when contracting the virus, with Hispanics 4.1 times, American Indians or Alaska Natives 4 times and black people 3.7 times as likely to be hospitalized.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... llout.html
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Post by shpalman » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:29 am

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Post by Herainestold » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:39 pm

American sports teams using covid sniffing dogs to test fans before admitting to stadium.
A German study last year found that dogs there were right 94% of the time when it came to coronavirus detection.
Can that statistic be right? That is better than the PCR test.
The Heat will use coronavirus-sniffing dogs at AmericanAirlines Arena to screen fans who want to attend their games. They've been working on the plan for months, and the highly trained dogs have been in place for some games this season in which the team has allowed a handful of guests -- mostly friends and family of players and staff.

Starting this week, a limited number of ticket holders will be in the seats as well, provided they get past the dogs first.

"If you think about it, detection dogs are not new," said Matthew Jafarian, the Heat's executive vice president for business strategy. "You've seen them in airports, they've been used in mission-critical situations by the police and the military. We've used them at the arena for years to detect explosives."
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Post by Martin Y » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:20 pm

I like the bit where they were advised not to bring their MAGA paraphernalia because it would distract from getting their antivax message across to "the sheeple".

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Post by Herainestold » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:32 am

Herainestold wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:39 pm
American sports teams using covid sniffing dogs to test fans before admitting to stadium.
A German study last year found that dogs there were right 94% of the time when it came to coronavirus detection.
Can that statistic be right? That is better than the PCR test.
The Heat will use coronavirus-sniffing dogs at AmericanAirlines Arena to screen fans who want to attend their games. They've been working on the plan for months, and the highly trained dogs have been in place for some games this season in which the team has allowed a handful of guests -- mostly friends and family of players and staff.

Starting this week, a limited number of ticket holders will be in the seats as well, provided they get past the dogs first.

"If you think about it, detection dogs are not new," said Matthew Jafarian, the Heat's executive vice president for business strategy. "You've seen them in airports, they've been used in mission-critical situations by the police and the military. We've used them at the arena for years to detect explosives."
https://www.scrutable.science/posting.p ... 09ab67949a
Oops, screwed up the link.

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Post by Millennie Al » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 am

Herainestold wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:39 pm
American sports teams using covid sniffing dogs to test fans before admitting to stadium.
Since dogs can catch the disease, that seems a great way to infect them.
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Post by bob sterman » Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:02 am

Millennie Al wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 am
Herainestold wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:39 pm
American sports teams using covid sniffing dogs to test fans before admitting to stadium.
Since dogs can catch the disease, that seems a great way to infect them.
Maybe use trained sniffer Pangolins instead?

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Post by Martin Y » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:11 am

Millennie Al wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 am
Herainestold wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:39 pm
American sports teams using covid sniffing dogs to test fans before admitting to stadium.
Since dogs can catch the disease, that seems a great way to infect them.
Would the same vaccines work in dogs?

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Post by bob sterman » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:14 am

Martin Y wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:11 am
Would the same vaccines work in dogs?
Yes but you have to divide the number of weeks between the 1st and 2nd doses by 7.

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Post by Martin Y » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:17 am

bob sterman wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:14 am
Martin Y wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:11 am
Would the same vaccines work in dogs?
Yes but you have to divide the number of weeks between the 1st and 2nd doses by 7.
And then add 9 for British dogs, obvs.


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Dr. Deborah Birx, who served as the White House coronavirus response coordinator under former President Trump, reveals in a CNN special report that "all the doctors" on the White House coronavirus task force have received death threats.

Reports emerged early in the pandemic that Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was forced to beef up security due to an increase in death threats.

"All the doctors received death threats," Birx told Dr. Sanjay Gupta in the documentary "COVID WAR: The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out."
"My daughters got the same rude text messages. I mean, you can't even imagine what those text messages looked like," Birx said. "A lot of sexual references, saying, 'The country would be better off if you were dead.' 'You're misleading the country.' 'Your tongue should be cut out.' "
Reminds me of a comment made about a year ago by (I think) epidemiologist Carl Bergstrom. He said that in earlier planning on how to deal with a pandemic it was assumed that everyone would want to work together. That was wrong.

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Post by sTeamTraen » Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:05 pm

I know that distributions are a thing, but even so, I was shocked to find that there are some US counties where almost 1% of the population has been killed by Covid-19. They are mostly small, so I presume that chance is playing a roll, but even so it seems like something that would have quite an impact on the life of a community. :shock:

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Post by monkey » Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:28 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:05 pm
I know that distributions are a thing, but even so, I was shocked to find that there are some US counties where almost 1% of the population has been killed by Covid-19. They are mostly small, so I presume that chance is playing a roll, but even so it seems like something that would have quite an impact on the life of a community. :shock:


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I think you should have some numbers for context. These places are very small (in population). I looked up Gove County. Population is 2,612 (2018 estimate). That's 21.9 deaths (I guess different population was used, or a rounding error). So chance would have played a big role, only a few fewer deaths and they wouldn't be on the your table. There may also be something odd driving things up, like people from adjacent counties go to the hospital in Gove Co., so Gove might count more deaths than are actually happening in their population.

But yeah, it would be hard hitting. Looking at the map, there's 4 towns and 2 major roads. The biggest town is Quinter, where about half of the county live. Seems like the sort of place where everyone knows everyone else.

I didn't look up the others, but I bet they're similar.

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Post by Chris Preston » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:40 pm

I have been through Gove Co, KS, but only because it is on the main road from Denver to Hays, which I have driven several times for work reasons.

The most likely reasons for Gove Co having a high death rate is it has a low population, it is rural and like many rural Kansas counties there is a high proportion of elderly people, it is strongly Republican and chance. 1 in 7 residents have been infected with COVID-19, but even then the CFR is high at 5%.
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