COVID-19 in the United States

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by monkey » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:21 pm

bagpuss wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:13 am
monkey wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:39 am
I just ordered my lateral flow tests, but here they're called at home tests, or rapid tests, or something. You get 4 per household*, and I have no idea when we might get them, or when we might be able to get some more.

Get yours here: clicky


*Not sure what you do if you live with more than 4 people and you want to test everyone.
That does seem a little lacking in numbers. How frequently can you order them, or is that a one-off 4 and that's your lot for ever?! Here in the UK, there are 7 in a pack and you can order a pack a day online. Not sure if it's different for ones you collect from a pharmacy or elsewhere as our pharmacy has been short-staffed recently so I've only been getting them online to avoid spending my entire lunchbreak in a queue.

ETA: By the way, your link doesn't work properly - you need "" around the covidtests.gov, I think

ETA2: No, that doesn't work either. You need the full link like this
Thanks for doing the link.

No idea when we can get another 4 or if we will be able to. If I need more, I guess I have to buy some, not sure if they're covered by insurance or not. It does seem a little lacking and late to me. It took aaaages for the FDA just to approve the things.

The PCR testing has been fine for me so far (results in less than 24 hrs, normally that night), but I've not had to go at the peak of a wave yet.

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by tom p » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:14 pm

Al Capone Junior wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:14 pm
Covid, along with various other important issues, is utterly hopeless in the US. Mainly due to the emboldenment of a substantial portion of our population with the ideas that it's ok to harm others by being a complete douchebag, as long as you're Christian.

That's not really what I was going to discuss tho. Too depressing.

I was just going to lament that getting the Pfizer booster and the flu shot on the same day was not such a great idea.

Ppl have been saying that the booster kicked their ass (for a day or so, tho FAR less so than getting covid likely would). And flu shots also may do this (but the last time I had the flu I almost died, so again, perspective everyone).

But getting both on Fri made my Saturday pure achy dog-doo heck (I'll skip the hyperbole of saying hell; it wasn't THAT bad).
Here in the land that's always almost underwater, they check that you're not going to get any other shots 14 days either side of your COVID one

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by WFJ » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:53 pm

tom p wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:14 pm
Al Capone Junior wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:14 pm
Covid, along with various other important issues, is utterly hopeless in the US. Mainly due to the emboldenment of a substantial portion of our population with the ideas that it's ok to harm others by being a complete douchebag, as long as you're Christian.

That's not really what I was going to discuss tho. Too depressing.

I was just going to lament that getting the Pfizer booster and the flu shot on the same day was not such a great idea.

Ppl have been saying that the booster kicked their ass (for a day or so, tho FAR less so than getting covid likely would). And flu shots also may do this (but the last time I had the flu I almost died, so again, perspective everyone).

But getting both on Fri made my Saturday pure achy dog-doo heck (I'll skip the hyperbole of saying hell; it wasn't THAT bad).
Here in the land that's always almost underwater, they check that you're not going to get any other shots 14 days either side of your COVID one
I tried to get my TBE booster the same day I got my first covid vaccine but my doctor made me wait a month.

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by jdc » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:08 pm

WFJ wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:53 pm
tom p wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:14 pm
Al Capone Junior wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:14 pm
Covid, along with various other important issues, is utterly hopeless in the US. Mainly due to the emboldenment of a substantial portion of our population with the ideas that it's ok to harm others by being a complete douchebag, as long as you're Christian.

That's not really what I was going to discuss tho. Too depressing.

I was just going to lament that getting the Pfizer booster and the flu shot on the same day was not such a great idea.

Ppl have been saying that the booster kicked their ass (for a day or so, tho FAR less so than getting covid likely would). And flu shots also may do this (but the last time I had the flu I almost died, so again, perspective everyone).

But getting both on Fri made my Saturday pure achy dog-doo heck (I'll skip the hyperbole of saying hell; it wasn't THAT bad).
Here in the land that's always almost underwater, they check that you're not going to get any other shots 14 days either side of your COVID one
I tried to get my TBE booster the same day I got my first covid vaccine but my doctor made me wait a month.
Isn't it normally only certain live virus vaccines where a gap is advised?* I was wondering if the advice was more cautious for covid vaccines due to them being newer. (I suppose the vector vaccines would count as live but the mRNA ones surely don't.)

* Varicella or Yellow Fever with MMR (and the tuberculin skin test with MMR) according to the Green Book: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... hedule.pdf

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by WFJ » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:19 pm

jdc wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:08 pm
WFJ wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:53 pm
tom p wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:14 pm

Here in the land that's always almost underwater, they check that you're not going to get any other shots 14 days either side of your COVID one
I tried to get my TBE booster the same day I got my first covid vaccine but my doctor made me wait a month.
Isn't it normally only certain live virus vaccines where a gap is advised?* I was wondering if the advice was more cautious for covid vaccines due to them being newer. (I suppose the vector vaccines would count as live but the mRNA ones surely don't.)

* Varicella or Yellow Fever with MMR (and the tuberculin skin test with MMR) according to the Green Book: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... hedule.pdf
Possibly. In my case it was J&J.

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by monkey » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:25 pm

jdc wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:08 pm
WFJ wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:53 pm
tom p wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:14 pm

Here in the land that's always almost underwater, they check that you're not going to get any other shots 14 days either side of your COVID one
I tried to get my TBE booster the same day I got my first covid vaccine but my doctor made me wait a month.
Isn't it normally only certain live virus vaccines where a gap is advised?* I was wondering if the advice was more cautious for covid vaccines due to them being newer. (I suppose the vector vaccines would count as live but the mRNA ones surely don't.)

* Varicella or Yellow Fever with MMR (and the tuberculin skin test with MMR) according to the Green Book: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... hedule.pdf
When I had my last TB test*, I was told that I had to wait 2 weeks after being vaxxed this was March last year. Not sure that helps, but might give you some ideas about what goes on.

For the anecdata, I had my flu jab at the same time as No. 3., my side effects weren't as bad as Nos. 1 and 2 and the worst thing was having to sleep on my back because I had two sore arms instead of one. (It's mostly my partner who suffers from that, because it makes me snore.)



*I do not know why they just don't accept me being vaccinated against that, I've got a scar to prove it and everything. It just means that I'm likely to give a false positive, but luckily my red lump has always been below the threshold to have to go get a chest x-ray.

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by shpalman » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:38 pm

molto tricky

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Post by tenchboy » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:24 pm

Fails the SEud* test in so many ways.
*If you can replace the buzz words with Synthetic Eudaemonics without altering the gist of the item - or better still without the target audience noticing - then there is a fair to middlin chance that it might be somewhat made up.
(Yes it is a phono of pseud that is the idea.)

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by Herainestold » Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:17 pm

Good article in New Yorker where John Burn Murdoch is interviewed about why covid deaths in America are so high.
For those attuned to the ongoing, horrifying pandemic death toll, it may seem a continuation of the country’s failure stretching back to last spring. But more Americans died of COVID in 2021, the year Joe Biden took office armed with vaccines and promising a pandemic reboot, than in 2020, when Donald Trump bungled his way through everything but vaccine development.
On the relative severity of different variants:
In your piece, you compare the severity of Omicron to Delta but not to Alpha or the original “wild-type” that emerged in Wuhan. What would that comparison be? My understanding is that Delta was more severe than the previous variants, which were more severe than the wild-type, and so even though Omicron is less severe than Delta, it’s in the neighborhood of the wild-type variant in terms of severity.

Yeah, that’s exactly it. My understanding is that Alpha was an increase in severity upon the wild type, Delta was certainly an increase in severity on Alpha, and Omicron — I’ve not seen exact numbers comparing it to the wild type, but I believe it’s in the same ballpark.
It seems to be about differences in vaccine coverage in the elderly.
For most of this year, the U.K.’s CFR has been two to three times lower than ours — and at a few points, it’s been as much as six times lower. That means for any given number of cases, about one-third as many Americans have died as Brits. Can a 5 percent gap in the coverage of the elderly really explain that?

I think something that’s really important to the discussion here is that it has not been ideal that we have always talked about vaccine effectiveness by talking about these numbers out of 100 percent. You say something is 90 percent effective or 80 percent effective when talking about the vaccines themselves, and similarly, when you talk about vaccination coverage, you say you’ve got 90 percent of people vaccinated or 80 percent. But the important figure is actually the inverse of that — it’s the hundred minus that.
Because a place that’s got 90 percent coverage and a place that has 85 percent coverage — those numbers sound similar, but actually one has 50 percent more vulnerable people, which is a huge gap.


Exactly that. And that explains some of the head-scratching that we’ve all been doing over the last couple of weeks looking at the U.S. versus the U.K. and western Europe. People will say, Well, look, the U.S. has got around 95 percent of its seniors protected — perhaps even more than 95 percent of its seniors vaccinated with two doses now.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02 ... ket-newtab
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Post by Herainestold » Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:53 pm

Sorry thats New York, not New Yorker.
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Post by shpalman » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:54 pm

Trump supporter is stupid
“He said take the vaccine but we all booed and said no,” she recalled of Trump’s event with broadcaster Bill O’Reilly in Orlando, Florida. “He heard us loud and clear because the Amway Center was packed. We let him know ‘no’ and a couple of us even hollered out, ‘It’s killing people!’”

...

Trump appears to have heeded the shift and recalibrated. At a rally in Conroe, Texas, last Saturday, where anti-vaccine views were again rampant, he channeled the crowd’s anger towards Biden’s mandate for federal government workers (a similar mandate for businesses was rejected by the supreme court).

“It is time for the American people to declare independence from every last Covid mandate,” Trump said to cheers. “We have to tell this band of hypocrites, tyrants and racists...”
Wait, what was that, you hypocritical racist tyrannical sack of sh.t?
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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by Al Capone Junior » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:47 pm

Here in the land that's always almost underwater
Florida? :shock:

Well if not today, give that glacier in Antarctica a few more years. :roll:

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Re: COVID-19 in the United States

Post by monkey » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:54 pm

Cases and hospitalisations have started to rise round my way recently, after a couple of months of being lower than they ever were. It's just started getting hot, so I think it might be due to more people being indoors for the AC. There was a wave about this time last year too.

There's a much slower rise than previous waves, so hopefully it won't get as bad.

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