Reckless public engagement - authorities outside their expertise

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Reckless public engagement - authorities outside their expertise

Post by jimbob » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:29 am

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He seems to be playing from the Global Warming denier playbook
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Post by bagpuss » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:23 pm

Yes Michael, that's right, and all those charts showing excess deaths far higher than any winter flu season, those are just made up for fun, as well.

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Post by FlammableFlower » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:35 pm

bagpuss wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes Michael, that's right, and all those charts showing excess deaths far higher than any winter flu season, those are just made up for fun, as well.
Exactly! All those people died, they just happened to have COVID... it definitely didn't contribute in any way to them dying...

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:40 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:35 pm
bagpuss wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes Michael, that's right, and all those charts showing excess deaths far higher than any winter flu season, those are just made up for fun, as well.
Exactly! All those people died, they just happened to have COVID... it definitely didn't contribute in any way to them dying...
It's just because of all the extra testing. In a normal year we can only distinguish between who's alive and who's dead in extreme cases of death. This year, all of the dead people are getting recorded in the government figures.
now I'm falling asleep and she's calling acab

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Post by sTeamTraen » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:29 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:35 pm
bagpuss wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes Michael, that's right, and all those charts showing excess deaths far higher than any winter flu season, those are just made up for fun, as well.
Exactly! All those people died, they just happened to have COVID... it definitely didn't contribute in any way to them dying...
And amazingly, all those people with stage 4 cancer and advanced COPD, y'know, the ones who were going to die early, all went to big public gatherings in the first half of March. Presumably they knew they were going to die early and wanted to tick off a visit to Cheltenham or a Stereophonics gig from the bucket list.
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Post by jimbob » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:12 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:35 pm
bagpuss wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes Michael, that's right, and all those charts showing excess deaths far higher than any winter flu season, those are just made up for fun, as well.
Exactly! All those people died, they just happened to have COVID... it definitely didn't contribute in any way to them dying...
I've got some nice graphs about excess deaths etc in this thread, from my currently-pinned tweet:

https://twitter.com/ParkinJim/status/12 ... 14240?s=20

And for the excess deaths thing, the "lockdown skeptics" don't seem to explain why, if the deaths are due to the lockdown not the virus, they peak just after the lockdown and then fall, even as the lockdown continues.

Or how second waves happen - if burnout is a thing.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Post by bagpuss » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:12 am

jimbob wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:12 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:35 pm
bagpuss wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes Michael, that's right, and all those charts showing excess deaths far higher than any winter flu season, those are just made up for fun, as well.
Exactly! All those people died, they just happened to have COVID... it definitely didn't contribute in any way to them dying...
I've got some nice graphs about excess deaths etc in this thread, from my currently-pinned tweet:

https://twitter.com/ParkinJim/status/12 ... 14240?s=20

And for the excess deaths thing, the "lockdown skeptics" don't seem to explain why, if the deaths are due to the lockdown not the virus, they peak just after the lockdown and then fall, even as the lockdown continues.

Or how second waves happen - if burnout is a thing.
Hang on - there are people claiming that lockdown has caused the excess deaths? How exactly are they explaining that one? I mean, I can understand there will be lockdown-caused additional deaths, for a variety of reasons, but only in numbers that ought to be at least mostly compensated for by a reduction in deaths due to fewer accidents, etc.

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Post by jimbob » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 am

bagpuss wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:12 am
jimbob wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:12 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:35 pm

Exactly! All those people died, they just happened to have COVID... it definitely didn't contribute in any way to them dying...
I've got some nice graphs about excess deaths etc in this thread, from my currently-pinned tweet:

https://twitter.com/ParkinJim/status/12 ... 14240?s=20

And for the excess deaths thing, the "lockdown skeptics" don't seem to explain why, if the deaths are due to the lockdown not the virus, they peak just after the lockdown and then fall, even as the lockdown continues.

Or how second waves happen - if burnout is a thing.
Hang on - there are people claiming that lockdown has caused the excess deaths? How exactly are they explaining that one? I mean, I can understand there will be lockdown-caused additional deaths, for a variety of reasons, but only in numbers that ought to be at least mostly compensated for by a reduction in deaths due to fewer accidents, etc.
In reply to my posting of the excess deaths in April, compared to their claim that there weere 50k deaths due to the 2017-2018 winter flu season
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If you want to find idiocy, look for the #KBF hashtag, which I think is "keep Britain free"

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UK Lockdown Sceptic #KBF
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Many of those due to lockdown and the mass murder that has occurred in care homes by sending Covid patients back into them.
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Post by Gentleman Jim » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:50 am

Originally from a Global Warming protest, it has been seen since re Covid
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Post by JQH » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:41 pm

jimbob wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 am

UK Lockdown Sceptic #KBF
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Many of those due to lockdown and the mass murder that has occurred in care homes by sending Covid patients back into them.
Isn't that kind of admitting that Covid does in fact kill people?
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.

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Post by jimbob » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:50 pm

JQH wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:41 pm
jimbob wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 am

UK Lockdown Sceptic #KBF
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Many of those due to lockdown and the mass murder that has occurred in care homes by sending Covid patients back into them.
Isn't that kind of admitting that Covid does in fact kill people?
Sadly, it seems to be a common idea that old people don't count
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Post by Gentleman Jim » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:10 pm

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/04/10/mi ... else-14706
Q: Where do you go to find overpaid, under-sane professors, talking about chemistry when they know nothing about it?
A: MIT, the home of Dr. Stephanie Seneff, who has spent a career making up nonsense about glyphosate. And she's outdone herself this time: Glyphosate causes COVID. Nope, not kidding.

A "colleague" of yours, dyqik? ;)
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Post by Little waster » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:23 pm

jimbob wrote:
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look for the #KBF hashtag, which I think is "keep Britain free"
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Post by bob sterman » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:36 pm

So now someone from the "Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM)" thinks it's time to engage the public with an unusual theory, that he's put together based on the Barcelona sewage pre-print...

Expert: Covid-19 may have been dormant around the world before emerging in China
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/the-c ... professor/

What on earth does "lying dormant" mean for a virus like SARS-CoV-2 that needs a host to replicate??? E.g. in the UK? Hanging around in some blokes guy until he decides to go to a business conference in the Far East, or maybe go skiing?

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Post by jimbob » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:23 pm

bagpuss wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:12 am
jimbob wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:12 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:35 pm

Exactly! All those people died, they just happened to have COVID... it definitely didn't contribute in any way to them dying...
I've got some nice graphs about excess deaths etc in this thread, from my currently-pinned tweet:

https://twitter.com/ParkinJim/status/12 ... 14240?s=20

And for the excess deaths thing, the "lockdown skeptics" don't seem to explain why, if the deaths are due to the lockdown not the virus, they peak just after the lockdown and then fall, even as the lockdown continues.

Or how second waves happen - if burnout is a thing.
Hang on - there are people claiming that lockdown has caused the excess deaths? How exactly are they explaining that one? I mean, I can understand there will be lockdown-caused additional deaths, for a variety of reasons, but only in numbers that ought to be at least mostly compensated for by a reduction in deaths due to fewer accidents, etc.
Yes, have at this if you want to prod dangerous fools.

https://twitter.com/ragnar_lives/status ... 34816?s=20
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