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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:23 pm

headshot wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:12 pm
They're currently talking about how effective both vaccine are after a single dose.

Why do I get a strong feeling they're going to switch to a single dose strategy?
Even AstraZeneca's own paper showed that the vaccine stopped being effective eventually so I look forward to journalists tweeting about results we can't see which contradict that.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by headshot » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:35 pm

JVT has just reiterated the need for a second dose for it to be effective, so hopefully they'll stick to it!

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Post by TopBadger » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 pm

Wife and I are group 10 (early 40's) and have been invited for vaccinations 10 days from now...
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Post by lpm » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:00 pm

Interesting... you might have got in just before the post Easter lull.
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Post by TopBadger » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:09 pm

I was surprised we got the call... i'm more than half expecting it will be cancelled as a mistake.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:32 pm

shpalman wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:16 pm
headshot wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:10 pm
Just came here to post the very same.

Why am I not surprised...
Is it because the UK's strategy of keeping all its domestically produced vaccines to itself while importing from the EU at the same time has been rumbled?
Ah, you've been getting them from India.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56438629
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Post by lpm » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:33 pm

Getting stuff from India is our thing.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by lpm » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:43 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:09 pm
I was surprised we got the call... i'm more than half expecting it will be cancelled as a mistake.
Hancock: "There will be no cancelled appointments as a result of supply issues."
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:00 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:43 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:09 pm
I was surprised we got the call... i'm more than half expecting it will be cancelled as a mistake.
Hancock: "There will be no cancelled appointments as a result of supply issues."
So this is either a lie, or it means the UK has a big stash of vaccine doses and the rollout isn't limited by supply.
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Post by tom p » Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:07 pm

"The Serum Institute of India producing a billion doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine this year, it truly is partnership that we can be proud of."
Customer & manufacturer is a pretty niche definition of partnership.

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Post by bagpuss » Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:16 pm

shpalman wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:00 pm
lpm wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:43 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:09 pm
I was surprised we got the call... i'm more than half expecting it will be cancelled as a mistake.
Hancock: "There will be no cancelled appointments as a result of supply issues."
So this is either a lie, or it means the UK has a big stash of vaccine doses and the rollout isn't limited by supply.
No, they're just not going to make any appointments.

Round here at least, GPs are waiting until they are told how many vaccines they're getting and on what days, then opening up that many slots for booking - usually a max of 10 days ahead. So they're simply not booking appointments that they haven't already got vaccines ready to be delivered for. So there won't be cancelled appointments, there won't be appointments full stop.

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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by Grumble » Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:54 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:33 pm
Getting stuff from India is our thing.
It’s known as loot, ironically.
You’ve got no chutzpah, your organisational skills are lacklustre and your timekeeping is abysmal.

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Post by Millennie Al » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:25 am

tom p wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:07 pm
"The Serum Institute of India producing a billion doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine this year, it truly is partnership that we can be proud of."
Customer & manufacturer is a pretty niche definition of partnership.
I think the partnership he meant was Oxford/AZ/SII and was saying "we" to take credit for the Oxford vaccine as it was developed in Britain.
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Post by basementer » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:20 am

Grumble wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:54 pm
lpm wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:33 pm
Getting stuff from India is our thing.
It’s known as loot, ironically.
Nice bit of etymology, ta for that.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by tom p » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:52 am

Millennie Al wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:25 am
tom p wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:07 pm
"The Serum Institute of India producing a billion doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine this year, it truly is partnership that we can be proud of."
Customer & manufacturer is a pretty niche definition of partnership.
I think the partnership he meant was Oxford/AZ/SII and was saying "we" to take credit for the Oxford vaccine as it was developed in Britain.
Possibly, though with a vainglorious halfwit like him, it's hard to know what his words mean, other than "we're the best, rah rah rah, give us all the credit"

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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:54 am

tom p wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:52 am
Millennie Al wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:25 am
tom p wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:07 pm

"The Serum Institute of India producing a billion doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine this year, it truly is partnership that we can be proud of."
Customer & manufacturer is a pretty niche definition of partnership.
I think the partnership he meant was Oxford/AZ/SII and was saying "we" to take credit for the Oxford vaccine as it was developed in Britain.
Possibly, though with a vainglorious halfwit like him, it's hard to know what his words mean, other than "we're the best, rah rah rah, give us all the credit"
There was also “huge frustration” among family doctors running GP-led vaccination sites and bosses of hospitals managing mass vaccination centres that ministers were wrongly trying to claim credit for the success of the programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... spill-over
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Post by JQH » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:58 am

Not just doctors frustrated with the government's credit-grabbing.

Plus it really boils my piss that the media don't call them on it.
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Post by bob sterman » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:03 pm

shpalman wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:54 am
There was also “huge frustration” among family doctors running GP-led vaccination sites and bosses of hospitals managing mass vaccination centres that ministers were wrongly trying to claim credit for the success of the programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... spill-over
Well - not a fan of the government but the mass vaccination centres do seem to have been a success.

I know of a number of cases where people to be vaccinated as part of Group 6 were able to book through the national system and get the jab at a mass vaccination centre before their GP got round to inviting them to a GP led vaccination centre. Plus people booking via the national system get to book both 1st and 2nd jab appointments. Via the GP system you are left waiting for a date for the 2nd.

Maybe it's because the national centres had earlier and better vaccine supplies?

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Post by mediocrity511 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:29 pm

bob sterman wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:03 pm
shpalman wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:54 am
There was also “huge frustration” among family doctors running GP-led vaccination sites and bosses of hospitals managing mass vaccination centres that ministers were wrongly trying to claim credit for the success of the programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... spill-over
Well - not a fan of the government but the mass vaccination centres do seem to have been a success.

I know of a number of cases where people to be vaccinated as part of Group 6 were able to book through the national system and get the jab at a mass vaccination centre before their GP got round to inviting them to a GP led vaccination centre. Plus people booking via the national system get to book both 1st and 2nd jab appointments. Via the GP system you are left waiting for a date for the 2nd.

Maybe it's because the national centres had earlier and better vaccine supplies?
I think it's an area by area thing. Those locally under the GP system and where my mum lives have both been given their second appointment when attending their first.

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Post by Blackcountryboy » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:33 pm

Blackcountrygirl and I had our second doses of the Pfizer vaccine this morning. Should be at maximum protection when gyms (hurrah), retail and Blackcountrygirl's hairdresser open.

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Post by shpalman » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:46 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-to-u-k
With 9.1 million doses, the U.K. was the largest recipient of EU vaccine exports as of March 9
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Post by Grumble » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:02 pm

Well, hardly just to one country, but yes it’s fairly obvious both that the U.K. is benefiting massively and that the benefit would be diluted when spread across a much larger population. I’m pretty sure that if the Americans were benefiting this much at the expense of the r.o.w. then we’d all be upset about it, just as we were when they were trying to bagsy all the PPE.
You’ve got no chutzpah, your organisational skills are lacklustre and your timekeeping is abysmal.

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Post by Herainestold » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:34 pm

Grumble wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:02 pm
Well, hardly just to one country, but yes it’s fairly obvious both that the U.K. is benefiting massively and that the benefit would be diluted when spread across a much larger population. I’m pretty sure that if the Americans were benefiting this much at the expense of the r.o.w. then we’d all be upset about it, just as we were when they were trying to bagsy all the PPE.
America is sitting on 30 million doses of AZ, which has not been approved for use in the US. No vaccines have been exported from the USA.
The EU would totally be within their rights to block vaccine exports until a significant portion of the populace is vaccinated. Its not like they are going to impoverished third world nations.

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