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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:24 am

JQH wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:18 am
They could run two counts - the current one plus one of people who have had both doses. Admittedly the second number will be depressingly small at the moment.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

People vaccinated
First dose total
14,012,224
Second dose total
530,094

Basically, second doses were done in the week of the 10th of January but then practically stopped.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by lpm » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:12 am

JQH wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:18 am
They could run two counts - the current one plus one of people who have had both doses. Admittedly the second number will be depressingly small at the moment.
Not true.

UK has done 0.5m second doses.

The best in Europe - Italy - has only done 1.3m.

Devote a single weekend to seconds and the UK would jump to first place.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by lpm » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:17 am

shpalman wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:24 am
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

People vaccinated
First dose total
14,012,224
Second dose total
530,094

Basically, second doses were done in the week of the 10th of January but then practically stopped.
But will start again in a few weeks, in huge numbers.

I get concerned, politically, when lefties on Twitter etc attack the govt over 2nd dose numbers. This hands Johnson another victory as the UK will jump to a huge lead in just a few weeks.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by lpm » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:41 am

The other way to look at it is the UK has done a dose for 20% of the population, but only 10% of the two doses needed for the population.

At 10% progress, it compares to 4.5% Serbia, 3% Denmark, 2.5% Ireland, 2.3% Italy, 2.3% Spain, 2.1% Germany, 1.7% France.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:45 am

lpm wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:12 am
JQH wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:18 am
They could run two counts - the current one plus one of people who have had both doses. Admittedly the second number will be depressingly small at the moment.
Not true.

UK has done 0.5m second doses.

The best in Europe - Italy - has only done 1.3m.

Devote a single weekend to seconds and the UK would jump to first place.
And if we'd devote a week to giving the UK only half a million doses and Italy a few million, instead of vice versa, then she'd be a wheelbarrow.
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Post by Woodchopper » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:53 am


Only one per cent of people offered a coronavirus jab have turned the chance down, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The figures will help allay fears that a reluctance to take the vaccine could harm the effect of the rollout, with doctors and public health chiefs expressing concerns that poor uptake rates could prolong the pandemic.

The ONS social survey found that, overall, only one person in 100 offered vaccination had declined, but with variation between age groups. The figure for those aged 30-49 was 5 per cent; for the 50-69s it was 2 per cent, and for the over-70s it was less than 1 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one- ... -pxvcd3t09

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Post by discovolante » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:21 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:53 am

Only one per cent of people offered a coronavirus jab have turned the chance down, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The figures will help allay fears that a reluctance to take the vaccine could harm the effect of the rollout, with doctors and public health chiefs expressing concerns that poor uptake rates could prolong the pandemic.

The ONS social survey found that, overall, only one person in 100 offered vaccination had declined, but with variation between age groups. The figure for those aged 30-49 was 5 per cent; for the 50-69s it was 2 per cent, and for the over-70s it was less than 1 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one- ... -pxvcd3t09
Woohoo!

My 90 y/o grandma accidentally refused the jab initially but it got sorted and she's had it, I think at the hospital rather than the GP. So she might be one of those in the stats. So I am also going to extrapolate wildly from that and say that some of those may be old people who have got a bit confused. Which isn't a good thing particularly but it's potentially fixable.
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Post by Trinucleus » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:45 pm

discovolante wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:21 pm
Woodchopper wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:53 am

Only one per cent of people offered a coronavirus jab have turned the chance down, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The figures will help allay fears that a reluctance to take the vaccine could harm the effect of the rollout, with doctors and public health chiefs expressing concerns that poor uptake rates could prolong the pandemic.

The ONS social survey found that, overall, only one person in 100 offered vaccination had declined, but with variation between age groups. The figure for those aged 30-49 was 5 per cent; for the 50-69s it was 2 per cent, and for the over-70s it was less than 1 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one- ... -pxvcd3t09
Woohoo!

My 90 y/o grandma accidentally refused the jab initially but it got sorted and she's had it, I think at the hospital rather than the GP. So she might be one of those in the stats. So I am also going to extrapolate wildly from that and say that some of those may be old people who have got a bit confused. Which isn't a good thing particularly but it's potentially fixable.
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:57 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:53 am

Only one per cent of people offered a coronavirus jab have turned the chance down, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The figures will help allay fears that a reluctance to take the vaccine could harm the effect of the rollout, with doctors and public health chiefs expressing concerns that poor uptake rates could prolong the pandemic.

The ONS social survey found that, overall, only one person in 100 offered vaccination had declined, but with variation between age groups. The figure for those aged 30-49 was 5 per cent; for the 50-69s it was 2 per cent, and for the over-70s it was less than 1 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one- ... -pxvcd3t09
The rollout of vaccines at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS trust began in the second week of December 2020, peaked in mid-January, and has been declining since. Prof Kamlesh Khunti, a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and Independent Sage at the University of Leicester, and his colleagues, found that 65% of 19,044 healthcare workers had received at least one shot of a Covid vaccine, but the figure masked substantial differences in uptake. While 71% of white staff had had the shot, only 59% of south Asians and 37% of black staff had received the vaccine.

Nearly a third – 32% – of unvaccinated staff were under 30, compared with 19% of those vaccinated, suggesting that younger healthcare workers may not appreciate the importance of being immunised, or are more hesitant about the jabs. Other figures showed that unvaccinated staff were more likely to live in deprived areas than those who had the jab.

One of the most striking results in the study, which has yet to be peer-reviewed, came from an analysis of vaccination status by occupation. While uptake was highest – at 73% – in those in administrative and executive roles, doctors had the lowest rate of vaccination, at only 57%. The study notes that doctors are the only staff group at the NHS trust in which minority ethnic individuals form the majority. Rates for estates and facilities staff were marginally better at 61%, with uptake in nurses and healthcare assistants at 63%.

Vaccines for other diseases are often more popular among white people than black people and south Asians for complex reasons, including longstanding discrimination, misinformation and low levels of trust. Khunti said work would now take place to understand the reasons behind the unvaccinated healthcare workers’ decisions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... rs-england
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Post by headshot » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:33 pm

"Millions of asthmatics 'must wait for vaccine'"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56069455

Frau HS, who is on a daily steroidal inhaler (and been on steroid tablets for a period last year - her asthma is seasonal), has been caught in this change of policy. Despite being in an "at risk" group since March, and receiving the annual flu jab for free from the GP, she is now told that her asthma is not serious enough to qualify her for a vaccine in group 6.

We've been particularly careful with avoiding contact etc, and now she has to wait longer. We've emailed the GP for clarity.

Shitballs.

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Post by lsnduck » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:14 pm

headshot wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:33 pm
"Millions of asthmatics 'must wait for vaccine'"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56069455

Frau HS, who is on a daily steroidal inhaler (and been on steroid tablets for a period last year - her asthma is seasonal), has been caught in this change of policy. Despite being in an "at risk" group since March, and receiving the annual flu jab for free from the GP, she is now told that her asthma is not serious enough to qualify her for a vaccine in group 6.

We've been particularly careful with avoiding contact etc, and now she has to wait longer. We've emailed the GP for clarity.

Shitballs.
Sorry to hear you are caught up in that; our experience is similar, it does seem to be this area of the rollout hasn't been dealt with as well.

My wife is seriously asthmatic and received the formal shielding letter which we thought meant she would get in group four. That wasn't the case and we are now awaiting the group six invite. I'm now worried again, as although she has had numerous emergency admissions, the most recent was more than two years ago, hopefully that doesn't mean she gets missed out again.

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Post by headshot » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:33 pm

lsnduck wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:14 pm
headshot wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:33 pm
"Millions of asthmatics 'must wait for vaccine'"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56069455

Frau HS, who is on a daily steroidal inhaler (and been on steroid tablets for a period last year - her asthma is seasonal), has been caught in this change of policy. Despite being in an "at risk" group since March, and receiving the annual flu jab for free from the GP, she is now told that her asthma is not serious enough to qualify her for a vaccine in group 6.

We've been particularly careful with avoiding contact etc, and now she has to wait longer. We've emailed the GP for clarity.

Shitballs.
Sorry to hear you are caught up in that; our experience is similar, it does seem to be this area of the rollout hasn't been dealt with as well.

My wife is seriously asthmatic and received the formal shielding letter which we thought meant she would get in group four. That wasn't the case and we are now awaiting the group six invite. I'm now worried again, as although she has had numerous emergency admissions, the most recent was more than two years ago, hopefully that doesn't mean she gets missed out again.
My wife didn’t get a shielding letter, so hopefully that means your wife is covered...

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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:16 pm

Apparently now there's signs that the vaccine is starting to have an effect in the UK.

This doesn't appear to be a write-up of a preprint, it's all there is.
Deaths from coronavirus have fallen by 62% among over-80s since 24 January, the point at which a third of that age group had some level of immunity against coronavirus, having received their first vaccine dose at least two weeks earlier, data analysis by the Guardian showed.

This drop was larger than among groups with a lower level of vaccination. Among people aged between 20 and 64 the drop in deaths was 47%, while the drop among those aged 65 to 79 was 51%.
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Post by Grumble » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:31 pm

shpalman wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Apparently now there's signs that the vaccine is starting to have an effect in the UK.

This doesn't appear to be a write-up of a preprint, it's all there is.
Deaths from coronavirus have fallen by 62% among over-80s since 24 January, the point at which a third of that age group had some level of immunity against coronavirus, having received their first vaccine dose at least two weeks earlier, data analysis by the Guardian showed.

This drop was larger than among groups with a lower level of vaccination. Among people aged between 20 and 64 the drop in deaths was 47%, while the drop among those aged 65 to 79 was 51%.
Hmm. And what did the same type of data look like after the first lockdown?
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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:22 pm

Well my own look at that data after the second lockdown makes it seem to me that death rates in all of those age groups is falling at the same kind of rate.

But after the first lockdown, the over-80's death rate came down much more slowly than the other two age groups here mentioned above earlier.

(I'm using the data for England downloaded from the heatmap but it doesn't look like in the Guardian anyway so meh.)
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Post by lpm » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:54 pm

Chris Whitty has said there's a signal when you analyse the stats, consistent with what would be expected, but they are waiting till the signal is visible to the naked eye.
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Post by Woodchopper » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:34 pm

Five things we still don't know about the vaccine rollout
https://www.bbc.com/news/56031531

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Post by Herainestold » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:06 am

lpm wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:54 pm
Chris Whitty has said there's a signal when you analyse the stats, consistent with what would be expected, but they are waiting till the signal is visible to the naked eye.
So it is a consistent invisible signal.

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Re: Vaccine rollout in the UK

Post by shpalman » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:08 pm

shpalman wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:57 pm
Woodchopper wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:53 am

Only one per cent of people offered a coronavirus jab have turned the chance down, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The figures will help allay fears that a reluctance to take the vaccine could harm the effect of the rollout, with doctors and public health chiefs expressing concerns that poor uptake rates could prolong the pandemic.

The ONS social survey found that, overall, only one person in 100 offered vaccination had declined, but with variation between age groups. The figure for those aged 30-49 was 5 per cent; for the 50-69s it was 2 per cent, and for the over-70s it was less than 1 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one- ... -pxvcd3t09
The rollout of vaccines at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS trust began in the second week of December 2020, peaked in mid-January, and has been declining since. Prof Kamlesh Khunti, a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and Independent Sage at the University of Leicester, and his colleagues, found that 65% of 19,044 healthcare workers had received at least one shot of a Covid vaccine, but the figure masked substantial differences in uptake. While 71% of white staff had had the shot, only 59% of south Asians and 37% of black staff had received the vaccine.

Nearly a third – 32% – of unvaccinated staff were under 30, compared with 19% of those vaccinated, suggesting that younger healthcare workers may not appreciate the importance of being immunised, or are more hesitant about the jabs. Other figures showed that unvaccinated staff were more likely to live in deprived areas than those who had the jab.

One of the most striking results in the study, which has yet to be peer-reviewed, came from an analysis of vaccination status by occupation. While uptake was highest – at 73% – in those in administrative and executive roles, doctors had the lowest rate of vaccination, at only 57%. The study notes that doctors are the only staff group at the NHS trust in which minority ethnic individuals form the majority. Rates for estates and facilities staff were marginally better at 61%, with uptake in nurses and healthcare assistants at 63%.

Vaccines for other diseases are often more popular among white people than black people and south Asians for complex reasons, including longstanding discrimination, misinformation and low levels of trust. Khunti said work would now take place to understand the reasons behind the unvaccinated healthcare workers’ decisions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... rs-england
A doctor writes,
The report stated that because nearly a third of unvaccinated staff were under 30, the findings of the paper suggest that “younger healthcare workers may not appreciate the importance of being immunised, or are more hesitant about the jabs”.

There is no survey data in the study to support this speculative comment.

... junior doctors and staff nurses have unpredictable shift patterns, which include a high burden of night shifts, frequent on-call duties, the carrying of emergency pagers and the covering of vacancies at short notice. It has even been demonstrated that junior doctors barely have the time to have a drink or to go to the toilet...

My own experience of being a junior doctor trying to organise my first vaccination dose included being allocated appointments while on a night shift and during self-isolation.
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Post by yoss » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:14 pm

Some anecdotal stuff here from South Manchester.

I've just had the first dose, as have two of my close friends. I'm a health 61 year old man. My friends are 51 (male asian athematic), and 41 - heart condition, male. Among our close friendship group of around 10 people aged 40 - 60is only one hasn't yet been offered or had the vaccine. We are fairly unrepresentative, either working in health or social care, having health problems or just being a bit old, but I'm still impressed at the number of us being jabbed.

As to the immunisation centre; it seemed extremely well organised with a steady flow of people being directed through with considerable efficiency.

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Post by jdc » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:16 pm

Liam Thorp's not getting his vaccine just yet: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... s-19857990

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Post by shpalman » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:23 pm

jdc wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:16 pm
Liam Thorp's not getting his vaccine just yet: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... s-19857990
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Post by jdc » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:29 pm

shpalman wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:23 pm
jdc wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:16 pm
Liam Thorp's not getting his vaccine just yet: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... s-19857990
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Post by raven » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:49 pm

My sister just got the invite. This is great as she's an LSA, working with reception kids so hard/impossible to socially distance, and she's probably the most likely to come in contact with Covid as just about everyone else in the family is working from home.

She's mid-40s, not in any risk groups. But her area is seemingly ahead, and has already been vaccinating one-on-one assistants in schools. As part of the social care & health staff in the first set of groups maybe? Who knows - my sister has no idea either, but very pleased to get it.

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Post by TimW » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:28 am

Over-40s to get Covid jabs by the end of March

The Daily Mail know their chart is complete misinformation but publish anyway:
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