Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

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Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Woodchopper » Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:33 pm

New survey shows that 58% of French people do not want to be vaccinated
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/malad ... 43031.html

That isn't a big surprise as in December a different survey showed a low level of support in France (along with Russia and South Africa).
https://www.ipsos.com/en/global-attitud ... ember-2020

Interestingly, the great majority of French skepticism in the later survey wasn't due to opposition to vaccination in general, but to worries about side effects and concern that the vaccine won't be effective.

For France and Russia this doesn't seem to have been a recent phenomenon. Back in 2016 about 40% of French people surveyed disagreed with the statement that "vaccines are safe" (a much higher proportion than elsewhere, except Russia).
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09 ... ine-safety

In contrast, both latter surveys show that the UK has much higher support for vaccination, with 77% of those surveyed in December stating that they would get a Covid vaccine. So despite Wakefield etc, support for vaccination is high. However, I worry that 77% might not be enough to reach herd immunity.
https://www.ipsos.com/en/global-attitud ... ember-2020

The US was one of the few to show an increase in support for vaccination. Its worrying that everywhere else showed decreases in support between October and December 2020.
https://www.ipsos.com/en/global-attitud ... ember-2020

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by sTeamTraen » Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:59 pm

Anti-vaxxers have had great success in France. I'm not sure why more there than in neighbouring countries, all of which also have idiots on Facebook. It used to be one of the most science-minded countries in Europe.
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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Opti » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:01 am

Well, La France does love its Homéopathie.
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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Woodchopper » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:35 pm

North Carolina’s top public health official said Tuesday that most nursing home workers are refusing to take coronavirus vaccines being offered in a state that has now become one of the slowest in the nation to get doses into peoples’ arms.

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Cohen noted that vaccine hesitancy among long-term care staff is “concerning,” given the anecdotal reports the state has gathered thus far. North Carolina is working with Walgreens and CVS, which are responsible for vaccinating residents and workers in long-term care settings, to access and report concrete data. She believes North Carolina is experiencing something similar to an estimate Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine made last week noting that about 60% of staff in long-term care settings have refused vaccination.

“I caution it’s anecdotal, but we are definitely hearing that more than half (are) declining (the vaccine), and that is concerning,” Cohen said.

According to the state’s COVID dashboard, nearly 166,000 vaccine doses were allocated to long-term care facilities in the state, as of Monday. Of those, 13,338 doses had been administered.
https://apnews.com/article/north-caroli ... 0afeeeb301

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Woodchopper » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:01 pm

Why are so many in France hesitant to take the COVID-19 vaccine?

Misinformation and a history of health scandals have led to a powerful anti-vax movement, presenting France with a fresh challenge in the pandemic.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021 ... 19-vaccine

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by badger » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:15 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:33 pm

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In contrast, both latter surveys show that the UK has much higher support for vaccination, with 77% of those surveyed in December stating that they would get a Covid vaccine. So despite Wakefield etc, support for vaccination is high. However, I worry that 77% might not be enough to reach herd immunity.
https://www.ipsos.com/en/global-attitud ... ember-2020
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Am assuming that 77% isn't fixed though, and as roll out increases and more people get it, and are fine, that the number will edge up?

The odd scare might have the opposite effect, but the sheer numbers involved I think provide enough context, even just intuitively, to soften the effect of any anti-vaxx claims.

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by lpm » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:41 pm

Not linking because it's the Mail scum, but:
Elderly Britons are REFUSING to take Pfizer's Covid vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one'
What ever happened to that Trump guy, you know, the one who was president for a bit?

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by lpm » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:42 pm

This little sketch is pretty funny:

https://twitter.com/JoshBerryComedy/sta ... 0610592768
What ever happened to that Trump guy, you know, the one who was president for a bit?

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by jimbob » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:44 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:59 pm
Anti-vaxxers have had great success in France. I'm not sure why more there than in neighbouring countries, all of which also have idiots on Facebook. It used to be one of the most science-minded countries in Europe.
They always seem to be keen on homeopathy though. No data, just based on how often I've seen homeopaths on high streets in France.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Sciolus » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:05 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:42 pm
This little sketch is pretty funny:

https://twitter.com/JoshBerryComedy/sta ... 0610592768
Short version (which I may have seen on here):

How can you tell if someone's had the Oxford vaccine?
They'll tell you.

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Sciolus » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:09 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:41 pm
Not linking because it's the Mail scum, but:
Elderly Britons are REFUSING to take Pfizer's Covid vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one'
If true (Mail disclaimer), I have no problem with that. As long as they go right to the back of the queue, as a newly-created level 11.

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by raven » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:19 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:41 pm
Not linking because it's the Mail scum, but:
Elderly Britons are REFUSING to take Pfizer's Covid vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one'
I could understand some hesitancy about the Pfizer one because it's a newish type of vaccine, because it's more exacting in terms of cold storage and there's more to go wrong in handling it. Because 'it's not English' though...

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Woodchopper » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:20 pm

The Best Evidence for How to Overcome COVID Vaccine Fears
Social science offers valuable lessons about ways to convince those who are hesitant about the shots
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ne-fears1/

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by raven » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:49 pm

From that link:
Research shows that some surprisingly simple interventions can make a difference. The one with the biggest proved impact, Milkman says, is to make the desired action—in this case, vaccination—the default. A 2010 study at Rutgers University showed that informing people that a dose of flu vaccine was waiting for them at a specified time and place (although the appointment could be changed) boosted their vaccination rate by 36 percent, compared with a control group that was e-mailed a Web link to schedule their own appointment. In other words, opt out works better than opt in.
That's what our GPs did for the flu shot. Here's a half hour slot at the village hall which is ten minutes walk away. If you can't make it, don't worry, you'll get an invite to the next clinic. Zero hassle.

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:46 pm

jimbob wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:44 pm
sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:59 pm
Anti-vaxxers have had great success in France. I'm not sure why more there than in neighbouring countries, all of which also have idiots on Facebook. It used to be one of the most science-minded countries in Europe.
They always seem to be keen on homeopathy though. No data, just based on how often I've seen homeopaths on high streets in France.
Every pharmacy in France, without exception unless there are one or two Asterix-type holdouts, sells homeopathy. Boiron and pals put high-quality point of sale kit into every shop. Most pharmacists will roll their eyes along with you if you discreetly express skepticism, but this stuff has huge margins for both distributor and retail outlet, unlike real medicine which in France is among the cheapest in Europe. (If you know any Americans with regular prescriptions who are coming to France, tell them to bring a clear typed script and they will often be able to pay less at full French price than their co-pay would be in the US.)

To be fair, French pharmacies also sell vast amounts of face creams, supplements, and those strange biscuits that health food freaks eat. Again, though, they need this to survive, because you don't pay for all that rent and training with the margin on Tramadol.
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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:52 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:20 pm
The Best Evidence for How to Overcome COVID Vaccine Fears
Social science offers valuable lessons about ways to convince those who are hesitant about the shots
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ne-fears1/
This is a really nice article, thanks.

It's really stuck out to me during the pandemic how stark is the gulf between what we can do with science - developing a vaccine against a novel pandemic in under a year - and what we haven't managed to get people to do, like wear masks and socially distance and get vaccinated, which all depend on an understanding of social factors, the science of which is often unfairly maligned and neglected (or misapplied, as in the case of the "Nudge Unit's" 'lockdown fatigue' silliness).

The same is true of other crises, like the climate emergency. Social science FTW.
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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by border_reiver » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:23 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:41 pm
Not linking because it's the Mail scum, but:
Elderly Britons are REFUSING to take Pfizer's Covid vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one'
Our local BBC news reported this tonight. Some local GPs reporting patients asking to 'wait for the English one'. They interviewed the GP who was our MP 2017 - 19. He was too polite to say "F*** off and die then" but that was pretty much what I was shouting at the telly.

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by shpalman » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:46 pm

border_reiver wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:23 pm
lpm wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:41 pm
Not linking because it's the Mail scum, but:
Elderly Britons are REFUSING to take Pfizer's Covid vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one'
Our local BBC news reported this tonight. Some local GPs reporting patients asking to 'wait for the English one'. They interviewed the GP who was our MP 2017 - 19. He was too polite to say "F*** off and die then" but that was pretty much what I was shouting at the telly.
BBC Link

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Woodchopper » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:17 pm

The COVID-19 Vaccine Communication Handbook
https://hackmd.io/@scibehC19vax/home#Th ... n-Handbook

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Post by Matatouille » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:45 am

On the topic of persuading people who are on the fence to vax, and understanding currentanti-vax doctrines, I had a shortish form article in The Skeptic earlier this week.

https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2021/01/ill- ... ryone-too/

[subtleasabrick]In case anyone wants something shareable so they can nail their colours to the mast ;) [/subtleasabrick]

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Post by Woodchopper » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:18 pm

Anti-vaccine sentiment rife in Poland
https://www.dw.com/en/anti-vaccine-sent ... a-56100878

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Re: Support or lack of it for Covid vaccination

Post by Woodchopper » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:37 pm

Vaccine rollout hits snag as health workers balk at shots

The nation’s biggest immunization rollout in history is facing pushback from an unlikely source: health care workers who witnessed COVID-19′s devastation firsthand but are refusing shots in surprising numbers

The desperately awaited vaccination drive against the coronavirus in the U.S. is running into resistance from an unlikely quarter: Surprising numbers of health care workers who have seen firsthand the death and misery inflicted by COVID-19 are refusing shots.

It is happening in nursing homes and, to a lesser degree, in hospitals, with employees expressing what experts say are unfounded fears of side effects from vaccines that were developed at record speed. More than three weeks into the campaign, some places are seeing as much as 80% of the staff holding back.

“I don’t think anyone wants to be a guinea pig,” said Dr. Stephen Noble, a 42-year-old cardiothoracic surgeon in Portland, Oregon, who is postponing getting vaccinated. “At the end of the day, as a man of science, I just want to see what the data show. And give me the full data.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/vacc ... 84523.html

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Increasing support for vaccination in France: https://twitter.com/coulmont/status/135 ... 52256?s=21

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