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Re: Vaccine ****ery

Post by Millennie Al » Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:26 am

jimbob wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:15 am
shpalman wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:33 am
So, a fake backdated covid infection from corrupt doctors just in time to give him a medical exemption (sic.) from vaccination so that he could go play in Australia?

Allegedly.
That's the charitable interpretation.
Well, I'd say the charitable interpretation would be that he took a routine test required for some purpose unrelated to suspicion of actual infection (e.g. as needed for international travel, or as might be required by some organisations to attend meetings) and he was very surprised that it was positive and immediately after getting the result self-isolated to ensure he didn't pass it on. Maybe more evidence will emerge to show what really happened.

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Re: Vaccine ****ery

Post by Herainestold » Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:40 am

Millennie Al wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:26 am
jimbob wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:15 am
shpalman wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:33 am
So, a fake backdated covid infection from corrupt doctors just in time to give him a medical exemption (sic.) from vaccination so that he could go play in Australia?

Allegedly.
That's the charitable interpretation.
Well, I'd say the charitable interpretation would be that he took a routine test required for some purpose unrelated to suspicion of actual infection (e.g. as needed for international travel, or as might be required by some organisations to attend meetings) and he was very surprised that it was positive and immediately after getting the result self-isolated to ensure he didn't pass it on. Maybe more evidence will emerge to show what really happened.
Except he didn't isolate, he was attending publicity events and getting his picture taken maskless. And how did he think he was going to get into Australia without a vaccination? Did he deliberately expose himself in order to get a positive test so he could qualify according to what he was told by Tennis Australia?
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Re: Vaccine ****ery

Post by jimbob » Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:19 pm

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/373/bmj.n987.full.pdf (PDF - single page)
Covid-19: Irish GP who refused to vaccinate patients is suspended
Clare Dyer
An Irish GP who refused to vaccinate his patients against SARS-CoV-2 and referred to media information
about the pandemic as “propaganda” and a “hoax” has been suspended from the medical register by the
High Court of Ireland.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Post by shpalman » Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:32 pm

The court filing by lawyers for the Australian government also reveal Djokovic, 34, is unvaccinated.

Who knew!
"There is no suggestion that the applicant had 'acute major medical illness' in December 2021. All he has said is that he tested positive for COVID-19. This is not the same," it said, adding there was "no such thing as an assurance of entry by a non-citizen into Australia".
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Post by Grumble » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:00 am

Djokovic released, on the grounds that the government didn’t give him sufficient notice about cancelling his visa.
A bit churlish

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Post by Trinucleus » Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:06 am

Brightonian wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:44 pm
WTF? Nigel Farage has weighed in, popping up in Belgrade:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 6082545664
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 1773490177
Turns out, not such a fan of the Australian border system after all

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Post by WFJ » Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:15 am

Trinucleus wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:06 am
Brightonian wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:44 pm
WTF? Nigel Farage has weighed in, popping up in Belgrade:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 6082545664
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 1773490177
Turns out, not such a fan of the Australian border system after all
And apparently pro freedom of movement for workers from Slavic countries. Who knew?

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Post by Brightonian » Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:20 am

WFJ wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:15 am
Trinucleus wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:06 am
Brightonian wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:44 pm
WTF? Nigel Farage has weighed in, popping up in Belgrade:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 6082545664
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 1773490177
Turns out, not such a fan of the Australian border system after all
And apparently pro freedom of movement for workers from Slavic countries elite. Who knew?
FIFY

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Post by shpalman » Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:57 pm

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Post by Herainestold » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:59 pm

So the vaunted, tough, Australian border controls fold in the face of a rich celebrity.
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Post by bjn » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:11 pm

Deleted because I can’t read and it was stupid.

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Post by shpalman » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:44 pm

DJOKOVIC wrote:I mean, I am really failing to understand what else do you want me to provide to you. I have provided all the documents that Tennis Australia and Victorian government has asked me to do in the last three/four weeks, this is what we have been doing. My agent and I have been in a constant communication with Tennis Australia and Victorian state government, the medical panel…
I'd like to see transcripts of Djokovic's conversation with Tennis Australia three/four weeks ago... and the seizure and retesting of that convenient PCR-positive swab also from "three/four weeks ago". If the swab even exists. But I'm sure the Serbs are just as corrupt and complicity in this fuckery as Tennis Australia and Victoria State are, and they won't investigate his social interactions in the day(s) following the positive result either.

He doesn't have a medical reason why he can't be vaccinated, and as far as I understand it previous infection isn't enough to enter Australia for non-residents.

He was subjected to torture no he f.cking was not.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:47 pm

Victoria state government should never have facilitated his illegal entry imho.
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Post by Herainestold » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:00 pm

The Australian federal government, Victoria state government and Tennis Australia needed to be on the same page, and they obviously were not.
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Post by shpalman » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:11 pm

I can understand how Novax thought he'd get away with it was acting in good faith, believing Victoria State had the power to let him in to Australia when I expect they only had the power to let him play. And I also understand that the overturning of the cancellation seems to have to do with it having been cancelled at 07:42 (having kept him there all night) when he'd been told he had until 08:30, which was maybe not entirely fair, so the ABF left themselves open to criticism there.
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Post by shpalman » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:39 am

Djokovic declared he had not travelled for 14 days before entering Australia, a claim apparently contradicted by social media posts.
In his Australian traveller declaration, filed on 1 January, Djokovic declared “no” when asked: “Have you travelled or will you travel in the 14 days prior to your flight to Australia?”

In documents filed to the federal circuit court, Djokovic said that on 1 January he authorised his agent to submit this declaration, before travelling to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai on 4 January.

A Twitter post by a Portuguese tennis reporter, Jose Morgado, appears to show Djokovic was in Belgrade at Christmas, posing with the handball star Petar Djordjic.

Djokovic was also pictured playing tennis in the streets of Belgrade in a video post on Instagram from 26 December, which now appears to have been taken down.

Djokovic flew from Spain to Melbourne, where he arrived at 11.30pm on 5 January.
The travel declaration comes on top of reported anomalies on the official website showing Djokovic’s positive Covid test, which was the basis for his claimed medical exemption from vaccination. Der Spiegel reported that the QR code linked to Djokovic’s Covid-19 test on 16 December, published in court documents on Monday, at times appeared to return a negative result.

According to Der Spiegel, accessing Djokovic’s test result via QR code on Monday evening Australia time revealed a negative test result, before a subsequent attempt showed a positive result.

The website returned only positive results when accessed by the Guardian on Tuesday.

The New York Times reporter Ben Rothenberg similarly reported getting contradictory results from the same QR code.
(Scanning it now it says it's positive.)

But I notice that the "Date of sampling" is 16.12.2021 13:05:12 and the "Date of result" is 16.12.2021 20:19:56 so he should have known that he was positive on the 17th when he was doing this: https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/statu ... 0967107586

Of course, assuming it wasn't a faked result to get him the exemption to go to Australia...
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Re: Vaccine ****ery

Post by FlammableFlower » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:43 am

I wonder what kind of reception he's going to get from the Australian crowd (if large numbers don't boycott it)? Tennis Australia have soooo majorly f.cked up.

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Post by bagpuss » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:29 am

Some good news is that despite Tennis Australia f.cking up with the Novax situation, vaccination rates among professional tennis players have increased recently and the assumption is that this is down to Australia's strict entry regulations.

I can't find the stats online so apologies for the fuzziness of the numbers and definitions but it was reported on the Today programme this morning on R4 that rates among female players* have increased from 85%** to 96%. Men are at 97% but either they didn't say or I missed what that's increased from. They also didn't say, or again I missed it, over what time period this increase was.




*I'm not sure exactly what the definition of the player group was but presumably high level professionals if they're deducing that the increase is due to the Aus Open.
**IIRC, was definitely mid-80s.

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Re: Vaccine ****ery

Post by Millennie Al » Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:46 am

If Djokovic made clearly false statements for immigration (about travel or Covid test results), that could be career-ending as both the UK and USA immigration applications ask if you have ever been deported (from any country) and take a very dim view of misleading immigration authorities of any country - especially a friendly country like Australia. That could be effectively a ban from three of the slam tournaments, and France might take a similar stance, blocking access to the French Open also.

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Post by Herainestold » Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:28 am

How did he think he was going to get into Oz, if he didn't fortuitously get a positive test on Dec 16. The whole thing seems fishy.
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Post by shpalman » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:50 am

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Post by bagpuss » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:15 am

Well he had to really, didn't he? Otherwise he'd have been forced to admit that his test was faked and he'd lied to a lot of people, Aus immigration included. And that would definitely have been the worse option to admit to.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:27 am

I'm sure the Ozzy border force are pretty laid back about "human error" on immigration documents when deciding whether to incarcerate refugees in their tropical gulags.
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Post by TimW » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:46 am

Haha, I was just reading about Novax clearing up the misinformation, saying that he'd been taking regular LFTs that were negative. But then, he got a positive from a PCR that he took out of an "abundance of caution".

Which he then ignored.

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