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Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:13 pm
by Herainestold
bolo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:01 pm
I agree with that, and especially because the rollout is going so fast now that by the time you got finished arguing about a changed strategy, it might be overtaken by events anyway. As of this week, everyone 16+ is now eligible, and availability is far better than it used to be. BoloJr (age 17, no aggravating conditions or special status) was able to get an appointment yesterday to be vaccinated today.
I'm not a fan of America, but I am impressed with the way they can produce vaccines. I just hope they can do something for places like Michigan where people are suffering greatly

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:29 am
by Martin_B
Herainestold wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:13 pm
bolo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:01 pm
I agree with that, and especially because the rollout is going so fast now that by the time you got finished arguing about a changed strategy, it might be overtaken by events anyway. As of this week, everyone 16+ is now eligible, and availability is far better than it used to be. BoloJr (age 17, no aggravating conditions or special status) was able to get an appointment yesterday to be vaccinated today.
I'm not a fan of America, but I am impressed with the way they can produce vaccines. I just hope they can do something for places like Michigan where people are suffering greatly
I could be flippant here and say Michigan residents are used to it :evil:

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:38 am
by dyqik
bolo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:01 pm
I agree with that, and especially because the rollout is going so fast now that by the time you got finished arguing about a changed strategy, it might be overtaken by events anyway. As of this week, everyone 16+ is now eligible, and availability is far better than it used to be. BoloJr (age 17, no aggravating conditions or special status) was able to get an appointment yesterday to be vaccinated today.
Yeah, both me and my wife (no aggravating conditions except having BMIs marginally above 25, which MA allowed a week before general availability) have now had our first doses, and will be fully vaccinated in 4 weeks time.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:18 pm
by Woodchopper
Millions of Americans are not getting the second doses of their Covid-19 vaccines, and their ranks are growing.

More than five million people, or nearly 8 percent of those who got a first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, have missed their second doses, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is more than double the rate among people who got inoculated in the first several weeks of the nationwide vaccine campaign.

Even as the country wrestles with the problem of millions of people who are wary about getting vaccinated at all, local health authorities are confronting an emerging challenge of ensuring that those who do get inoculated are doing so fully.

The reasons vary for why people are missing their second shots. In interviews, some said they feared the side effects, which can include flulike symptoms. Others said they felt that they were sufficiently protected with a single shot.

Those attitudes were expected, but another hurdle has been surprisingly prevalent. A number of vaccine providers have canceled second-dose appointments because they ran out of supply or didn’t have the right brand in stock.

[...]

While millions of people have missed their second shots, the overall rates of follow-through, with some 92 percent getting fully vaccinated, are strong by historical standards. Roughly three-quarters of adults come back for their second dose of the vaccine that protects against shingles.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/busi ... doses.html

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:48 pm
by shpalman
Woodchopper wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:18 pm
Millions of Americans are not getting the second doses of their Covid-19 vaccines, and their ranks are growing.

More than five million people, or nearly 8 percent of those who got a first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, have missed their second doses, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is more than double the rate among people who got inoculated in the first several weeks of the nationwide vaccine campaign.

Even as the country wrestles with the problem of millions of people who are wary about getting vaccinated at all, local health authorities are confronting an emerging challenge of ensuring that those who do get inoculated are doing so fully.

The reasons vary for why people are missing their second shots. In interviews, some said they feared the side effects, which can include flulike symptoms. Others said they felt that they were sufficiently protected with a single shot.

Those attitudes were expected, but another hurdle has been surprisingly prevalent. A number of vaccine providers have canceled second-dose appointments because they ran out of supply or didn’t have the right brand in stock.

[...]

While millions of people have missed their second shots, the overall rates of follow-through, with some 92 percent getting fully vaccinated, are strong by historical standards. Roughly three-quarters of adults come back for their second dose of the vaccine that protects against shingles.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/busi ... doses.html
Ok but according to Our World in Data nearly 30% of the US population are "fully vaccinated" (40% "at least one dose") and I doubt there are any other major countries which have managed that.

The EU is at about 20% one-dosed and less than 10% fully vaccinated. The UK has fully vaccinated 17%.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:01 pm
by Herainestold
The US vaccine roll out is slowing, with clinics closing because of lack of demand in some places and other places begging for doses. At the same time new variant cases are surging at the same time as mask mandates and other restrictions are loosening.
More than 50,000 new U.S. cases were reported on Saturday, and case rates are similar to those of the second wave last summer. But the average number of vaccine doses being administered each day, which rose for months and peaked at 3.38 million, has now fallen to 2.86 million, its lowest level since March 31, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/25 ... _new=false

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:10 pm
by bolo
The recent slowdown in vaccination is mostly due to the temporary suspension of J&J, which has now ended.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:13 pm
by Herainestold
bolo wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:10 pm
The recent slowdown in vaccination is mostly due to the temporary suspension of J&J, which has now ended.
I think it is more than that, but we will see.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:18 pm
by bolo
Have a look at the third chart here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... doses.html

Pfizer and Moderna doses have dipped, but only modestly compared to J&J.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:31 pm
by Herainestold
bolo wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:18 pm
Have a look at the third chart here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... doses.html

Pfizer and Moderna doses have dipped, but only modestly compared to J&J.
Hmm. Point taken. Lets hope vaccine uptake ramps up this coming week

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:39 am
by headshot
Jesus Christ. Tucker Carlson has jumped several sharks here:

https://youtu.be/yXmeHuR9M9U

He's completely deranged.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Mon May 03, 2021 5:04 am
by Herainestold
Brookline MA, the second-most educated town in the country, has decided to overrule the CDC and keep an outdoor mask mandate in place: https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/05/01/cor
https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/statu ... 4421009410

Are there places in the UK with an outdoor mask mandate? -Borough market is all I can think of and google doesnt find more.
I am still masking outdoors as I anticipate an unlockdown wave fueled by variants. We are going to have to be cautious for the rest of 2021.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am
by bolo
The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm
by bolo
bolo wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am
The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.
So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 2:31 pm
by bolo
With vaccination bringing case rates down, businesses around here are doing better, and there are.signs of some upward wage pressure. Three bits of local anecdata from this week:

We went back (sitting outside) to a restaurant we used to go to regularly. They dropped from 80 staff before the pandemic to 16, but are now hiring as fast as they can, which isn't as fast as they'd like.

Another local restaurant has a sign up offering $20/hour for experienced waiters.

A local UHaul place has a huge sign up offering $13/hour, a $100 starting bonus, and "quick hire, quick pay" with no mention of skills or experience. This is the big sign in front that would usually be aimed at attracting customers, not staff.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm
by dyqik
bolo wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am
The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.
So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use
Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 1:28 am
by monkey
dyqik wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am
The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.
So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use
Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.
Dunno what it's like where you are, but there's plenty of spare vaccines here, for the wrong reasons.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 1:54 am
by Herainestold
monkey wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 1:28 am
dyqik wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm

So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use
Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.
Dunno what it's like where you are, but there's plenty of spare vaccines here, for the wrong reasons.
Don't give them away. You are going to need them once the Indian variant makes its way there. Mind you, it would be better to vaccinate people now.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 9:29 pm
by dyqik
monkey wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 1:28 am
dyqik wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm

So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use
Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.
Dunno what it's like where you are, but there's plenty of spare vaccines here, for the wrong reasons.
We're at 3/4 of adults fully vaccinated within the next couple of weeks (had or due the second shots this week). Which is probably about as high as you can expect for take-up at this point. Some fraction will refuse outright, but e.g. my wife saw old men in loud Trump shirts getting the shot last week.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:33 pm
by monkey
dyqik wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 9:29 pm
monkey wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 1:28 am
dyqik wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm


Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.
Dunno what it's like where you are, but there's plenty of spare vaccines here, for the wrong reasons.
We're at 3/4 of adults fully vaccinated within the next couple of weeks (had or due the second shots this week). Which is probably about as high as you can expect for take-up at this point. Some fraction will refuse outright, but e.g. my wife saw old men in loud Trump shirts getting the shot last week.
I just realised that my post might not have made sense. I was pointing out that the kids might be able to get jabbed because there's plenty of spare capacity to get shots in arms, at least there is round here. If it's approved and it's ready to go, why not?

My state's at ~28% of whole population fully vaxxed. Not sure what that is for just adults, probs in the low 30s, I'd guess. The rate has gone from a peak of ~40k/day to less than 20k/day, so it's not that people are getting stuck as fast as it can be done, It's because people don't want it.

My neighbors are going to f.ck it up for the rest of you.

(At least we're not Mississippi)

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 11:06 pm
by bolo
Virginia is at 51% of whole population. My county is a bit above that, and cases here have fallen off a cliff over the past month. Today's reported cases in the county are below any other day since March 2020. It's starting to feel like we're winning this at last. I hope things can go the same way soon where you are, monkey, even though you're a little behind us.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 11:11 pm
by dyqik
We're officially out of any real controls, except masks in hospitals and on public transport, on May 29th.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 4:27 am
by Brightonian

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 5:31 am
by monkey
dyqik wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 11:11 pm
We're officially out of any real controls, except masks in hospitals and on public transport, on May 29th.
We beat you. The state didn't extend the laws the other week and today my city didn't extend theirs. Everywhere is "encouraged" to do masks and social distancing stuff (apart from hospital and care homes, etc.). Got an email at work that said no masks for the unvaccinated or for anyone outdoors.

Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:17 pm
by monkey
Yesterday, Alabama stabbed only 978 people with needles (population ~5 million), though the moving average is higher than that, I'd guess about 2k, can't be bothered to calculate). Currently, 36% have had one dose and 29% all all vaxxed up.

I'm not sure what to do. I'm erring on the whole "f.ck it, I did what I could to keep myself and others safe. I stayed at home, wore a mask and was ill for two days after being stuck, you ruin all that by not bothering, so why should I?" But then I go back to the "keeping others safe" bit and I just get depressed.

Case rate is at the same level as this time last year but decreasing slowly, hospitalisations are decreasing too and there are fewer deaths. Which is good, but we had a wave last summer after things were looking OK for a bit and I'm expecting the same to happen this year (but hoping I'm wrong).

As I said before, we're going to f.ck it all up for the rest of you. But we're still not Mississippi.