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Ivermectin

Post by tom p » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:28 pm

Obviously an anti-parasitic isn't going to work against viruses; but that didn't stop a desperate world looking & charlatans from promoting it.
Someone here has been doing some wonderful work exposing some deadly fraud, and was mentioned in the guardian for doing so.
Good work, that man, and thanks for doing it.

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Post by PeteB » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:54 pm

Yes - saw it on twitter this morning - well done sTeamTraen

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Post by Herainestold » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:08 pm

Some days it seems like the whole planet is going to sh.t, and then we see people like Nick B. and the others trying to put it right, on their own volition, not being shills for Pharma and it gives one a little bit of hope.
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Post by Sciolus » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:22 pm

Worth its own thread, even if I've not got anything to say except well done those people.

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Post by bob sterman » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:28 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:08 pm
....not being shills for Pharma and it gives one a little bit of hope.
Huh? It's not "big pharma" who have been pushing Ivermectin and Vitamin D with dodgy studies.

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Post by Herainestold » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:34 pm

bob sterman wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:28 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:08 pm
....not being shills for Pharma and it gives one a little bit of hope.
Huh? It's not "big pharma" who have been pushing Ivermectin and Vitamin D with dodgy studies.
Sorry, that was not the intent of my comment. It is internet personalities leveraging social media algorithms to promote ivermectin.
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Post by sTeamTraen » Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:40 am

Thanks all. As a scientist I'm probably never going to discover much new myself, but there is plenty of stuff to be "undiscovered" :roll:
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Post by tom p » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:10 am

Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:34 pm
bob sterman wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:28 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:08 pm
....not being shills for Pharma and it gives one a little bit of hope.
Huh? It's not "big pharma" who have been pushing Ivermectin and Vitamin D with dodgy studies.
Sorry, that was not the intent of my comment. It is internet personalities leveraging social media algorithms to promote ivermectin.
Being a right-wing conspiracy theorist seems to be the main driver of promoting ivermectin

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Post by tom p » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:11 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:40 am
Thanks all. As a scientist I'm probably never going to discover much new myself, but there is plenty of stuff to be "undiscovered" :roll:
I would argue that you are discovering fraud and dodgy behaviour.
I think that what you are doing is important and admirable, and I salute your courage, your strength your indefatigability.

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Re: Ivermectin

Post by Herainestold » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:52 pm

tom p wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:10 am
Herainestold wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:34 pm
bob sterman wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:28 pm


Huh? It's not "big pharma" who have been pushing Ivermectin and Vitamin D with dodgy studies.
Sorry, that was not the intent of my comment. It is internet personalities leveraging social media algorithms to promote ivermectin.
Being a right-wing conspiracy theorist seems to be the main driver of promoting ivermectin
The organic food crowd are into it too, but maybe they are right wing now.
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Re: Ivermectin

Post by monkey » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:41 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:52 pm
tom p wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:10 am
Being a right-wing conspiracy theorist seems to be the main driver of promoting ivermectin
The organic food crowd are into it too, but maybe they are right wing now.
Eco-Facsism is a thing. There's probably an overlap with organic fans and the "conspirituality" types too. That's a thing that's older than The Covids, but it only caught when people found some yoga teachers spreading Qanon and antivax bobbins and some reporters wrote some articles (AFAICT), here's one with an interview with an academic that discusses the idea and that you shouldn't be surprised that not all hippies are left wing - clicky

Even so, I would not say all the organic food crowd are right wing.


(preemptive apologies if this is a derail)

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Post by WFJ » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:56 pm

monkey wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:41 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:52 pm
tom p wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:10 am
Being a right-wing conspiracy theorist seems to be the main driver of promoting ivermectin
The organic food crowd are into it too, but maybe they are right wing now.
Eco-Facsism is a thing. There's probably an overlap with organic fans and the "conspirituality" types too. That's a thing that's older than The Covids, but it only caught when people found some yoga teachers spreading Qanon and antivax bobbins and some reporters wrote some articles (AFAICT), here's one with an interview with an academic that discusses the idea and that you shouldn't be surprised that not all hippies are left wing - clicky

Even so, I would not say all the organic food crowd are right wing.


(preemptive apologies if this is a derail)
Ivermectin/vaccine conspiracies also seem to be big with a section of the Bernie Bro crowd, who see everything as a corporate conspiracy. I guess they are not particularly right wing.

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Post by Herainestold » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:34 pm

monkey wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:41 pm

Even so, I would not say all the organic food crowd are right wing.


All the ones I know are lefties, but then I don't personally know any actual right wingers.
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Post by Herainestold » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:36 pm

WFJ wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:56 pm
monkey wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:41 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:52 pm


The organic food crowd are into it too, but maybe they are right wing now.
Eco-Facsism is a thing. There's probably an overlap with organic fans and the "conspirituality" types too. That's a thing that's older than The Covids, but it only caught when people found some yoga teachers spreading Qanon and antivax bobbins and some reporters wrote some articles (AFAICT), here's one with an interview with an academic that discusses the idea and that you shouldn't be surprised that not all hippies are left wing - clicky

Even so, I would not say all the organic food crowd are right wing.


(preemptive apologies if this is a derail)
Ivermectin/vaccine conspiracies also seem to be big with a section of the Bernie Bro crowd, who see everything as a corporate conspiracy. I guess they are not particularly right wing.
Ya, I noticed the same thing. Maybe not actual Bernie Bros but our equivalents here in the UK.
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Post by sTeamTraen » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:19 pm

tom p wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:11 am
I salute your courage, your strength your indefatigability.
That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to anyone. ;)
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Post by Brightonian » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:11 pm

Alex Jones supposedly taking Ivermectin tablet on live TV (some suggest sleight of hand, dropping it behind the desk):
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 18209?s=19

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Post by FlammableFlower » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:22 pm

Ivermectin overdoses on the increase with people in the US self-administering animal medicines.

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Post by Woodchopper » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:33 am

A Prominent Study Said Ivermectin Prevents COVID, But The Data Is Suspect
An influential study from Argentina has been used to argue that ivermectin prevents COVID 100% of the time — but its inconsistencies have led experts to question if it could have actually happened as advertised.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/st ... spect-data

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Post by sTeamTraen » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:44 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:33 am
A Prominent Study Said Ivermectin Prevents COVID, But The Data Is Suspect
An influential study from Argentina has been used to argue that ivermectin prevents COVID 100% of the time — but its inconsistencies have led experts to question if it could have actually happened as advertised.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/st ... spect-data
I had a small hand in that story. There was a five-time-zone chat session to finalise the coordination between us investigators and Stephanie Lee (who will win a Pulitzer one day, sure as eggs is eggs).

We don't know whether the main author is deliberately stalling by sending the (probably fake) data for the wrong study, or if he is just having trouble keeping the various untrue stories straight.

I am starting to wonder (cf the discussion of funding in GidMK's blog piece https://gidmk.medium.com/is-ivermectin- ... 66aa6819b3) whether there is some kind of coordination of all of these terrible studies, which seem to be mostly coming out of LMICs where $10,000 probably gets you a lot of fake data. I appreciate that this is a conspiracy theory not a million miles from "George Soros bankrolls Antifa".
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Post by Sciolus » Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:40 pm

Effects of Ivermectin therapy on the sperm functions of Nigerian onchocerciasis patients

Obviously onchocerciasis and other helminth infections suck, so I don't want to insult those patients, but there's definitely some Darwinism going on with covid.

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Post by tom p » Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:57 pm

Sciolus wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:40 pm
Effects of Ivermectin therapy on the sperm functions of Nigerian onchocerciasis patients

Obviously onchocerciasis and other helminth infections suck, so I don't want to insult those patients, but there's definitely some Darwinism going on with covid.
so, people avoid these vaccines 'cos (in part) of depopulation conspiracy theories & instead switch to ivermectin. instant karma's gonna get you.

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Post by Lydia Gwilt » Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:47 pm

THere is a mildly amusing typo in the discussion:

thus, they
recommended caution in the use of ivermectin in animals met for breeding

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Post by Al Capone Junior » Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:22 pm

Beau of the 5th column, a very cool commentator on American society, weighs in on ivermectin

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dByVMsE08FA

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Post by basementer » Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:13 pm

Al Capone Junior wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:22 pm
Beau of the 5th column, a very cool commentator on American society, weighs in on ivermectin

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dByVMsE08FA
That's a good level-headed commentary. I'd not heard of him before.
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