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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:09 pm

discovolante wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:07 pm
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Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:24 pm
I use FFP3 sometimes, they're about a fiver a pop so only use them for long journeys on public transport but they're much comfier than FFP2.
I thought they had a valve which meant they didn’t protect other people?
No you can get valveless ones.

Like this I think https://www.medisave.co.uk/ffp3-face-mask-9330.html
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by jimbob » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:34 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
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Do you have a link?

I think the ones i had had *something* to help shape round the nose but it wasn't much use.
https://www.medisave.co.uk/ffp2-respira ... of-50.html
Thanks Headshot. One of the reasons I haven’t got FFP2 so far is because I couldn’t find any which didn’t have either terrible reviews or a sky high price.

I wonder if I can persuade my caree to wear one. How easy are they to breathe through?
I got those (on recommendation from this thread, I think)

Not too bad to wear, and you can feel the mask goin in when when breathing in
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Millennie Al » Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:39 am

discovolante wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:07 pm
Like this I think https://www.medisave.co.uk/ffp3-face-mask-9330.html
Note that it's very important to fit them correctly - see the 93-3M-Series-Instructions.pdf link from that page. You see a very large proportion of people wearing masks which they have rendered useless by poor fit which leaves gaps so they're not actually breathing through the mask at all!

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by TAFKAsoveda » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:54 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:35 pm
discovolante wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:24 pm
I use FFP3 sometimes, they're about a fiver a pop so only use them for long journeys on public transport but they're much comfier than FFP2.
I thought they had a valve which meant they didn’t protect other people?
Lots of non valve ffp3 masks, the type linked by discovolante are similar to the type we use in clinical areas with aerosol generating procedures. As has been also said the fit is critical, we have to go through fit testing to see that they are a proper seal.

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Stranger Mouse » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:30 am

TAFKAsoveda wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:54 am
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:35 pm
discovolante wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:24 pm
I use FFP3 sometimes, they're about a fiver a pop so only use them for long journeys on public transport but they're much comfier than FFP2.
I thought they had a valve which meant they didn’t protect other people?
Lots of non valve ffp3 masks, the type linked by discovolante are similar to the type we use in clinical areas with aerosol generating procedures. As has been also said the fit is critical, we have to go through fit testing to see that they are a proper seal.
Yeah I’ve had a look around and ordered the FFP2 that Headshot recommended to be delivered in the New Year and these FFP3 to arrive tomorrow as there seems to be a sizeable proportion of the population who refuse to do anything to protect others and Omicron spreads like warm butter.

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by discovolante » Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm

I find the ffp3 much easier to fit properly than ffp2 and the spongy bit round the nose helps too. Quite possibly I'm not doing it properly mind.
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Stranger Mouse » Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm

discovolante wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
I find the ffp3 much easier to fit properly than ffp2 and the spongy bit round the nose helps too. Quite possibly I'm not doing it properly mind.
I think I’m probably going to use different ones based on circumstances. FFP3 for a planned trip to the cinema when I can find a quiet performance or when public transportation is particularly scary.FFP2 for normal public transport. Normal medical mask when I’m working with double masking for when local supermarket is quiet and I can keep away from people.

I realise some of my behaviour is based around a sunk cost fallacy on the masks already in my possession but I’ve always been nuts so……
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by WFJ » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:41 pm

From this week medical masks are now banned in indoor public areas in parts of Germany. Only FFP2 are allowed (cloth masks haven't been allowed for over a year).

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by TAFKAsoveda » Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:22 pm

discovolante wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
I find the ffp3 much easier to fit properly than ffp2 and the spongy bit round the nose helps too. Quite possibly I'm not doing it properly mind.
Really difficult to tell if the ffp3 is a suitable fit. I was tried with 3 different types and they felt the same on my face but only one sealed well enough that I couldn’t taste the stuff they use for testing.
Even a poor one will be better than a cloth mask mind you!

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:02 pm

TAFKAsoveda wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:22 pm
discovolante wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
I find the ffp3 much easier to fit properly than ffp2 and the spongy bit round the nose helps too. Quite possibly I'm not doing it properly mind.
Really difficult to tell if the ffp3 is a suitable fit. I was tried with 3 different types and they felt the same on my face but only one sealed well enough that I couldn’t taste the stuff they use for testing.
Even a poor one will be better than a cloth mask mind you!
These seem ok. The seal is to my skin all the way around and the nose wire actually moulds ok

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Brightonian » Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:55 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:02 pm
TAFKAsoveda wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:22 pm
discovolante wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
I find the ffp3 much easier to fit properly than ffp2 and the spongy bit round the nose helps too. Quite possibly I'm not doing it properly mind.
Really difficult to tell if the ffp3 is a suitable fit. I was tried with 3 different types and they felt the same on my face but only one sealed well enough that I couldn’t taste the stuff they use for testing.
Even a poor one will be better than a cloth mask mind you!
These seem ok. The seal is to my skin all the way around and the nose wire actually moulds ok

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08 ... UTF8&psc=1
Thanks, just realised it's a pack of 6, not just one mask, so just over three quid a mask, so I might get a pack. It says single use, but I assume one can reuse them up to a point (and only for dangerous situations, e.g. an hour on a train, 20 minutes on a bus a few days later, and 35 minutes in a windowless GP's waiting room).

Good to hear the nose wire works (I have trouble with some FFP2s where I really have to fight to get the wire to mould tightly).

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by bob sterman » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:09 pm

Brightonian wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:55 pm
It says single use, but I assume one can reuse them up to a point (and only for dangerous situations, e.g. an hour on a train, 20 minutes on a bus a few days later, and 35 minutes in a windowless GP's waiting room).
Early in the pandemic when there were PPE shortages - Public Health England issued guidance on reusing FFP3 masks for NHS staff. But they later withdrew it...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ipment-ppe

Some criticisms here...

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/369/bmj.m1577.full.pdf

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Re: Travel and masks

Post by shpalman » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:34 pm

Protecting vaccinated members of the public from each other is somewhat different to unvaccinated doctors trying to survive the first wave in the covid wards.
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by shpalman » Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:22 pm

IHME reckons you could put quite a bit of a dent in the coming wave of infections if the English would just f.cking wear masks.
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Stranger Mouse » Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:32 pm

jimbob wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:34 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:31 pm
Thanks Headshot. One of the reasons I haven’t got FFP2 so far is because I couldn’t find any which didn’t have either terrible reviews or a sky high price.

I wonder if I can persuade my caree to wear one. How easy are they to breathe through?
I got those (on recommendation from this thread, I think)

Not too bad to wear, and you can feel the mask goin in when when breathing in

They arrived today. A lot cheaper than my FFP3 but the layers obviously aren’t as substantial. Pretty good and easy to breathe through - suitable for my caree no doubt

I have experimented and if I am particularly paranoid I can actually fit the FFP3 over the FFP2 without disturbing the seal although I wouldn’t want to try that unless I was sitting pretty motionless with a low oxygen requirement
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Herainestold » Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:07 pm

shpalman wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:22 pm
IHME reckons you could put quite a bit of a dent in the coming wave of infections if the English would just f.cking wear masks.
Sure, but which masks? Throw out the cloth masks and get FFP2/3, or if you can't get them double mask.
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:32 am

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:07 pm
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Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:22 pm
IHME reckons you could put quite a bit of a dent in the coming wave of infections if the English would just f.cking wear masks.
Sure, but which masks? Throw out the cloth masks and get FFP2/3, or if you can't get them double mask.
Literally any mask is better than nothing. I went in two pubs yesterday and nae c.nt had a fecking ting over their virus holes.
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Post by lpm » Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:23 pm

Don't Homo sapiens also use their virus holes as food and liquid intakes? I thought that was the design? Don't blame me, I was skiving on the day Bastet came up with that one. But what did you expect when you went into the pub?
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:41 pm

Sat at a table with my friend having a pint I took my mask off, of course.

But I put it on for ordering at the bar, going to the loo, etc. - things that take me closer to strangers.

In sensible places the staff all wear them too, as their risk is highest.
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by wilsontown » Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:42 pm

You could wear a mask while moving around the pub, as we were supposed to do back in the day, but I must admit that I can't really see the point.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:44 pm

It's to stop infected people infecting other people, especially those who haven't chosen to socialise with them.
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Post by wilsontown » Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:26 pm

Well that's the idea, and I'm not going to tell people not to wear masks if they would rather do so, but I can't see that it's likely to be particularly effective in a setting where people are generally not wearing masks because they are drinking beer.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:07 pm

Proximity is important too. People drinking at another table are several metres away, whereas bar staff or people queuing or whatever are much closer. Omicron can spread during shorter contacts, but I've not seen much suggestion it travels over longer distances.

You can also drink beer and eat outside, while bars and toilets tend to be inside, where ventilation is much poorer.

There is a reason masks have been emphasised during the pandemic. Seems to be something Britons have an odd struggle with, like identification documents, while the rest of the world gets on just fine.
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Re: Travel and masks

Post by headshot » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:27 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:07 pm
There is a reason masks have been emphasised during the pandemic. Seems to be something Britons have an odd struggle with, like identification documents, while the rest of the world gets on just fine.
Tell that to my friends in Alberta...and most red states in the US.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:46 pm

headshot wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:27 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:07 pm
There is a reason masks have been emphasised during the pandemic. Seems to be something Britons have an odd struggle with, like identification documents, while the rest of the world gets on just fine.
Tell that to my friends in Alberta...and most red states in the US.
True, "the rest of the world" was a bit of an exaggeration. It's just large parts of Europe, Asia and Australasia really.

What's interesting in the UK is that masks don't seem to have become a big culture-war flashpoint like they are across the pond - nobody at all seems to give much of a sh.t. They're still hard to find in shops, all the messaging immediately undermines itself by emphasizing the "medical exemption" get-out, and even sensible scrutineers seem to have forgotten the point of them even though mere months ago folks were criticising the government's overly hasty "Mission Accomplished" "Freedom Day" guff.
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