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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by OffTheRock » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:36 pm

There was a bit of discrepancy over the definition of severe asthma for shielding back in March 2020. I’m fairly certain they then added a bunch of people to the shielding group in Feb2021. Or at least prioritised their vaccination and moved them up to group 4.

Difficult to find that now because anything official about the shielding criteria just says ‘shielding has finished now’.

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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by OffTheRock » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:46 pm

nezumi wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:32 pm
Have they done a reassessment based on the same criteria as 2020? One of those criteria was to have had (I probably don't remember this correctly but) something like 2 rounds of steroids in the past 12 months or a stint in hospital in the last 5 years, or be on 3+ asthma drugs to manage the condition. Lots of us haven't had a respiratory infection in the last 18 months so may have dropped off the list. Others may have stepped down medication for the same reasons.
I don’t think it’s that. The CEV criteria were something along the lines of
High dose daily inhaled steroids
+ LABA or biologic
+ 3/4 doses of steroids Jul2019-Dec 2019 or admitted to hospital within last 2 years or ever being admitted to ICU.

I’ve also got 1 course of steroids within last 12months (I think this might be part of work’s OH risk assessment) and ever having had 3 courses of steroid within a set period in my head. The second of those might be to do with the vaccine criteria or the extra shielding letters and IIRC it caused an issue because NHS records are set up to be able to search for it so GPS had to go through individual records.

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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by nezumi » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:52 am

OffTheRock wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:46 pm
nezumi wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:32 pm
Have they done a reassessment based on the same criteria as 2020? One of those criteria was to have had (I probably don't remember this correctly but) something like 2 rounds of steroids in the past 12 months or a stint in hospital in the last 5 years, or be on 3+ asthma drugs to manage the condition. Lots of us haven't had a respiratory infection in the last 18 months so may have dropped off the list. Others may have stepped down medication for the same reasons.
I don’t think it’s that. The CEV criteria were something along the lines of
High dose daily inhaled steroids
+ LABA or biologic
+ 3/4 doses of steroids Jul2019-Dec 2019 or admitted to hospital within last 2 years or ever being admitted to ICU.

I’ve also got 1 course of steroids within last 12months (I think this might be part of work’s OH risk assessment) and ever having had 3 courses of steroid within a set period in my head. The second of those might be to do with the vaccine criteria or the extra shielding letters and IIRC it caused an issue because NHS records are set up to be able to search for it so GPS had to go through individual records.

Yeah that sounds right, I'm there because of ICU and high dose inhalers.

If not re-evaluation then the only other thing I can think of is rationing.
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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by headshot » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:08 am

discovolante wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:25 pm

Now it says:
Individuals with a severe lung condition, including those with poorly
controlled asthma1 and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
including chronic bronchitis and emphysema; bronchiectasis, cystic
fibrosis, interstitial lung fibrosis, pneumoconiosis and bronchopulmonary
dysplasia (BPD).

1 Poorly controlled asthma is defined as:
- ≥2 courses of oral corticosteroids in the preceding 24 months OR
- on maintenance oral corticosteroids OR
- ≥1 hospital admission for asthma in the preceding 24 months
https://www.brit-thoracic.org.uk/covid- ... vi-advice-
on-covid-19-booster-vaccination-for-adults-in-clinical-at-risk-groups-and-adults-with-asthma
This is where Frau HS was dropped out of the groupings in the original rollout. She's had 2 courses of oral corticosteroids, but it was about 3 years ago. She's also on a daily preventative inhaler and occasionally has to use her blue inhaler when triggered by seasonal allergens.

She spoke to 119 who were really helpful and actually rang our GP to discuss it with them. But no dice.

Still, she's 46 so will be eligible for the booster very soon and should be able to book from the 22nd Nov according to this: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... 9-vaccine/

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Post by jaap » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:06 am

Here in the Netherlands they are a bit slow with boosters.
In a couple of days they will start giving boosters to people 80 years and up, as well as healthcare workers. Once that is mostly finished, they'll do 60-79. It is unclear how long all this will take, as some of the large vaccination centres have closed. As of now there are no plans to give boosters to everyone else, but afterwards they will be made available to anyone who wishes it. I will certainly try to get one then.

(Official Dutch site: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpe ... vaccinatie)

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Post by shpalman » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:12 am

In no way obsessively checking the website, it turns out that in Lombardy the people in the 40-59 age group can start to book their third doses tomorrow.

The third dose will have to be at least 180 days after the second dose, but today I'm already at 184 days.
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Post by jimbob » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:24 pm

shpalman wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:12 am
In no way obsessively checking the website, it turns out that in Lombardy the people in the 40-59 age group can start to book their third doses tomorrow.

The third dose will have to be at least 180 days after the second dose, but today I'm already at 184 days.
A bit behind you.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... 9-vaccine/
Important
All people aged 40 to 49 years old who have not previously been eligible will soon be able to book an appointment for a booster dose using this service.

We will update this site with more information when these appointments are available to book. We expect this to be from Monday 22 November 2021.
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Post by shpalman » Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:54 am

Just been Pfizered, I'm halfway through the 15 minute wait.
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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by Herainestold » Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:14 pm

shpalman wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:54 am
Just been Pfizered, I'm halfway through the 15 minute wait.
Excellent!
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Post by headshot » Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:09 pm

Saj Jav confirmed in a statement today that boosters open for 40+ tomorrow. Though that’s only to book an appointment when it’s been 182 days since your second dose. So that falls squarely into the Christmas period.

Realistically most 40+ folk won’t be able to get their boosters until January.

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Post by shpalman » Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:25 pm

headshot wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:09 pm
Saj Jav confirmed in a statement today that boosters open for 40+ tomorrow. Though that’s only to book an appointment when it’s been 182 days since your second dose. So that falls squarely into the Christmas period.

Realistically most 40+ folk won’t be able to get their boosters until January.
That's probably going to be the case here too since my age group mostly had their second doses in late June or early July, if they weren't teachers/police/military.

Is Christmas going to fall right into an intersection of waned immunity and maximum interpersonal contact?
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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by Herainestold » Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:44 pm

shpalman wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:25 pm


Is Christmas going to fall right into an intersection of waned immunity and maximum interpersonal contact?
Is that a rhetorical question?
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Post by headshot » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:41 am

shpalman wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:25 pm
headshot wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:09 pm
Saj Jav confirmed in a statement today that boosters open for 40+ tomorrow. Though that’s only to book an appointment when it’s been 182 days since your second dose. So that falls squarely into the Christmas period.

Realistically most 40+ folk won’t be able to get their boosters until January.
That's probably going to be the case here too since my age group mostly had their second doses in late June or early July, if they weren't teachers/police/military.

Is Christmas going to fall right into an intersection of waned immunity and maximum interpersonal contact?
Just booked my booster for Dec 22nd, on the likelihood we won't get to to away for Christmas. I'll change it if we can get away.

However, 22nd December was the ONLY option I was given, so it looks like that's the cutoff date for vaccinations this side of Christmas. Frau HS was given options in the entire week before that.

I wasn't given an option to book anything in the New Year.

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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by shpalman » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:44 am

headshot wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:41 am
shpalman wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:25 pm
headshot wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:09 pm
Saj Jav confirmed in a statement today that boosters open for 40+ tomorrow. Though that’s only to book an appointment when it’s been 182 days since your second dose. So that falls squarely into the Christmas period.

Realistically most 40+ folk won’t be able to get their boosters until January.
That's probably going to be the case here too since my age group mostly had their second doses in late June or early July, if they weren't teachers/police/military.

Is Christmas going to fall right into an intersection of waned immunity and maximum interpersonal contact?
Just booked my booster for Dec 22nd, on the likelihood we won't get to to away for Christmas. I'll change it if we can get away.

However, 22nd December was the ONLY option I was given, so it looks like that's the cutoff date for vaccinations this side of Christmas. Frau HS was given options in the entire week before that.

I wasn't given an option to book anything in the New Year.
In Lombardy at least, the governor has said that the hubs will be working also on weekends and holidays.

Now I need to figure out how to visit my mum over Christmas - hoping it will be either easy or impossible.
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Post by Brightonian » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:00 am

shpalman wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:44 am
headshot wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:41 am
shpalman wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:25 pm

That's probably going to be the case here too since my age group mostly had their second doses in late June or early July, if they weren't teachers/police/military.

Is Christmas going to fall right into an intersection of waned immunity and maximum interpersonal contact?
Just booked my booster for Dec 22nd, on the likelihood we won't get to to away for Christmas. I'll change it if we can get away.

However, 22nd December was the ONLY option I was given, so it looks like that's the cutoff date for vaccinations this side of Christmas. Frau HS was given options in the entire week before that.

I wasn't given an option to book anything in the New Year.
In Lombardy at least, the governor has said that the hubs will be working also on weekends and holidays.

Now I need to figure out how to visit my mum over Christmas - hoping it will be either easy or impossible.
Same. My father's in Ireland, and my brother, nephew and I have been intending to travel from the UK for Christmas, and cases in Ireland have suddenly rocketed Austria-like in the last six weeks: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases?country=GBR~IRL

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Post by headshot » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:29 am

Ah, turns out the 22nd date issue was just for the centre I picked. I can get vaccinated up to the 23rd and then between Christmas and new year if I pick a difference vaccine centre. My bad.

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Post by bagpuss » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:51 am

headshot wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:29 am
Ah, turns out the 22nd date issue was just for the centre I picked. I can get vaccinated up to the 23rd and then between Christmas and new year if I pick a difference vaccine centre. My bad.
Yes, our local GP-led centre is only open 2 days a week, so fewer date options going through that than if we'd gone with the national booking system. It's very convenient though and extremely well organised, and the days are Fri & Sat so work pretty well for most. Also, they're being pretty flexible about when you can book - they're sending out messages at the right time to get slots at 180+ days, as most of the earlier slots will already have gone by the time people get the text, but when a slot popped up for the previous week, at 174 days, Mr Bagpuss was able to book that with no problem. He's now been jabbed and I'm getting mine end of this week.

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Post by shpalman » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:49 pm

Italy is discussing doing the booster jab after 5 months rather than 6. Glad I got in before everyone who got their second dose in July, which was practically everybody.
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Post by Fishnut » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:47 pm

I got mine booked today (first time I've been glad to have turned 40, suspect it'll be the last!). The closest location was about 10 miles away, the furthest was almost an hour's drive away. Despite having a load of different accessibility options including"parking" and "disabled parking", "accessible by public transport" wasn't one of them. Fortunately I'm able to get a lift. I was able to get my first doses at my GP, and they were doing the mass vaccinations in the local stadium that's pretty easy to get to by bus (a 20-30 min bus ride and a 10 min walk). Now I've got to go to a Methodist church that would require 2 buses and an hour each way.

There was also only one day that had appointments available for the foreseeable future so if you were busy that day then you were f.cked. If there's lower uptake of boosters I suspect that accessibility will have a lot to do with it.
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Post by shpalman » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:29 pm

shpalman wrote:
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Italy is discussing doing the booster jab after 5 months rather than 6. Glad I got in before everyone who got their second dose in July, which was practically everybody.
Yes, 5 months. But still only over-40s.

The technician trying to book the booster for his mum (in a neighbouring province) was only seeing slots in January.

Austria has decided to do it after 4 months.
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Post by Hunting Dog » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:08 pm

I've booked my booster for mid Dec (as soon as eligible)

poor Mr Hunting Dog who had his main shots earlier can't book because the NHS has mangled his vaccination record... apparently they'll get back to us within 21 days to try and sort it out :cry:

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Post by Brightonian » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:12 am

Got my Moderna booster yesterday. No ill effects other than it flipping hurt unlike my first two which I hardly felt. Odd, disturbing dreams though (maybe a consequence of having to sit in a crowded waiting room for 25 minutes, and latterly reading about B.1.1.259 which perhaps makes it all pointless).

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Post by Brightonian » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:58 am

Brightonian wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:12 am
Got my Moderna booster yesterday. No ill effects other than it flipping hurt unlike my first two which I hardly felt. Odd, disturbing dreams though (maybe a consequence of having to sit in a crowded waiting room for 25 minutes, and latterly reading about B.1.1.259 which perhaps makes it all pointless).
* B.1.1.529 I meant.

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Post by Woodchopper » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:23 am

Brightonian wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:58 am
Brightonian wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:12 am
Got my Moderna booster yesterday. No ill effects other than it flipping hurt unlike my first two which I hardly felt. Odd, disturbing dreams though (maybe a consequence of having to sit in a crowded waiting room for 25 minutes, and latterly reading about B.1.1.259 which perhaps makes it all pointless).
* B.1.1.529 I meant.
On B.1.1.529 we really don’t know that yet.

It seems that a prior common cold infection may have offered some immunity to Covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03110-4
(Which could explain this earlier interesting result: https://adc.bmj.com/content/106/12/1212 as young children get every cold going round).

So it also seems reasonable to assume that a triple dose of vaccines may well also still provide immunity to new Covid variants. The question obviously is how much.

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Re: Booster vaccination

Post by FlammableFlower » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:37 am

headshot wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:09 pm
Saj Jav confirmed in a statement today that boosters open for 40+ tomorrow. Though that’s only to book an appointment when it’s been 182 days since your second dose. So that falls squarely into the Christmas period.

Realistically most 40+ folk won’t be able to get their boosters until January.
Yep, just looked and technically the earliest I can get mine would be New Years Day...

As an aside the NHSVaccine texts are a bit daft. Couple of weeks ago: our records show that you are eligible for a free flu jab.

Didn't think I was, checked with GP and... nope. Luckily work decided to organise them for us for free, so got that done last week.

Then I get the: our records show you are eligible for a COVID booster. No, no I'm not, at least not until the start of next year.

I know they're mass messaging a lot of people, but they could have couched them in better terms.

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