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Re: Join the Covid club!

Post by Herainestold » Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:34 pm

Last week, it was revealed that over the past month the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has concealed the fact that a dangerous new variant of the coronavirus, known as the Omicron XBB.1.5 subvariant, has rapidly become dominant across the United States.
The relentless propaganda campaign in the West itself had an impact within China, where sections of the middle class and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) bureaucracy became increasingly convinced that Omicron was “mild” and Zero-COVID had to be scrapped. The encirclement of China with a global “forever COVID” policy, combined with relentless economic and geopolitical pressures, prompted the CCP to lift Zero-COVID, unleashing a tidal wave of infections and deaths throughout the country.

In the World Socialist Web Site’s 2023 New Year statement, Joseph Kishore and David North warned:

The lifting of Zero-COVID in China and the adoption of a “forever COVID” policy marks a new and potentially even more dangerous stage in the pandemic. Scientists have warned that mass infection increases the likelihood that new variants will evolve. The world’s capitalist ruling elites are playing Russian roulette with society, raising the danger that a more infectious, immune-resistant and deadly variant could unleash an even more lethal global wave of infections.

At this point, the XBB.1.5 variant does not appear to be more lethal than prior variants, but only time will tell. The warnings that it could be more likely to cause Long COVID are ominous, as there are already hundreds of millions of people globally suffering from this affliction.

The dangerous process of viral evolution of the coronavirus must be stopped through the building of a mass movement of the international working class fighting to put an end to the pandemic. This must be connected to the conscious struggle against the US-NATO proxy war against Russia in Ukraine, the threat of nuclear war, the deepening climate crisis, and all the immense social problems created by world capitalism.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... s-j04.html
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Re: Join the Covid club!

Post by shpalman » Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:38 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:34 pm
The relentless propaganda campaign in the West...
f.ck's sake.
having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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Post by dyqik » Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:41 pm

The reason that XBB.1.5 has become dominant across the north east US is that the high take-up of vaccines that are highly effective against earlier variants mean that there's not much competition for it.

XBB.1.5 isn't anymore dangerous than earlier variants (and less so than the early ones). It's just able to be transmitted more easily in vaccinated population.

And yes, I probably have it.

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Post by Chris Preston » Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:19 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:34 pm
Last week, it was revealed that over the past month the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has concealed the fact that a dangerous new variant of the coronavirus, known as the Omicron XBB.1.5 subvariant, has rapidly become dominant across the United States.
The relentless propaganda campaign in the West itself had an impact within China, where sections of the middle class and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) bureaucracy became increasingly convinced that Omicron was “mild” and Zero-COVID had to be scrapped. The encirclement of China with a global “forever COVID” policy, combined with relentless economic and geopolitical pressures, prompted the CCP to lift Zero-COVID, unleashing a tidal wave of infections and deaths throughout the country.

In the World Socialist Web Site’s 2023 New Year statement, Joseph Kishore and David North warned:

The lifting of Zero-COVID in China and the adoption of a “forever COVID” policy marks a new and potentially even more dangerous stage in the pandemic. Scientists have warned that mass infection increases the likelihood that new variants will evolve. The world’s capitalist ruling elites are playing Russian roulette with society, raising the danger that a more infectious, immune-resistant and deadly variant could unleash an even more lethal global wave of infections.

At this point, the XBB.1.5 variant does not appear to be more lethal than prior variants, but only time will tell. The warnings that it could be more likely to cause Long COVID are ominous, as there are already hundreds of millions of people globally suffering from this affliction.

The dangerous process of viral evolution of the coronavirus must be stopped through the building of a mass movement of the international working class fighting to put an end to the pandemic. This must be connected to the conscious struggle against the US-NATO proxy war against Russia in Ukraine, the threat of nuclear war, the deepening climate crisis, and all the immense social problems created by world capitalism.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... s-j04.html
Well that is a complete load of crap.

The CDC has a tool that is updated every Friday with the variant percentages in the US. Anyone can see how they track.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... roportions
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Post by Martin Y » Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:23 pm

Chris Preston wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:19 pm
The CDC has a tool that is updated every Friday with the variant percentages in the US.
Seems the CDC aren't the only only ones who have a useful tool.

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Post by Herainestold » Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:46 pm

The XBB. 1.5 variant is more immune evasive, and while not appearing to be more deadly, at this point, does seem to be worse for Long Covid.
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Post by bob sterman » Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:43 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:46 pm
The XBB. 1.5 variant is more immune evasive, and while not appearing to be more deadly, at this point, does seem to be worse for Long Covid.
Worse for long COVID? Another invented claim.

How on earth would we know this? Given it only started to account for a large proportion of cases in December there hasn't been enough time to discover how many will become "long".

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Post by bolo » Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:49 pm

bob sterman wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:43 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:46 pm
The XBB. 1.5 variant is more immune evasive, and while not appearing to be more deadly, at this point, does seem to be worse for Long Covid.
Worse for long COVID? Another invented claim.

How on earth would we know this? Given it only started to account for a large proportion of cases in December there hasn't been enough time to discover how many will become "long".
It's just something he read on that ridiculous World Socialist website he quoted a few posts ago. A load of crap, as previously noted.

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Post by Herainestold » Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:51 pm

bolo wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:49 pm
bob sterman wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:43 pm
Herainestold wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:46 pm
The XBB. 1.5 variant is more immune evasive, and while not appearing to be more deadly, at this point, does seem to be worse for Long Covid.
Worse for long COVID? Another invented claim.

How on earth would we know this? Given it only started to account for a large proportion of cases in December there hasn't been enough time to discover how many will become "long".
It's just something he read on that ridiculous World Socialist website he quoted a few posts ago. A load of crap, as previously noted.
It is where I read it. At least they are still taking Covid seriously.
For Nathanael Nerode, 46, the partner of Mx. Cherry, the imperative now is to educate others about the risks that remain. When friends say they are not worried about Covid because they have already had it, Mx. Nerode, who also uses gender-neutral courtesy titles and pronouns, sends them a link to academic papers that suggest reinfection is relatively common and each infection adds to the risk of severe outcomes. When friends say they do not mind if they get Covid because it will be only a cold, Mx. Nerode sends a paper suggesting that even mild cases can result in cognitive impairment.

“I’m fairly blunt,’’ said Mx. Nerode, who is also a member of Mx. Cherry’s game group. “So when somebody’s like, ‘Oh, I’m inviting you to this event,’ my response is, ‘You’re crazy. That event is dangerous. Don’t come crying to me when you get sick.’”

That does not mean life has to shut down, the couple said. If everyone at the board game group would commit to wearing well-fitting, high-quality masks — they prefer elastomeric p100s — and the group invested in a HEPA filter, Mx. Cherry says the couple could safely attend. Mx. Nerode’s 90-year-old father, for instance, a math professor at Cornell, has taught all semester with the same equipment.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/us/c ... -risk.html
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Post by dyqik » Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:27 am

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:51 pm
bolo wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:49 pm
bob sterman wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:43 pm


Worse for long COVID? Another invented claim.

How on earth would we know this? Given it only started to account for a large proportion of cases in December there hasn't been enough time to discover how many will become "long".
It's just something he read on that ridiculous World Socialist website he quoted a few posts ago. A load of crap, as previously noted.
It is where I read it. At least they are still taking Covid seriously.
Spreading lies and misinformation is not taking something seriously.

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Post by dyqik » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:47 am

We've both lost our sense of smell/taste today, between breakfast and lunch.

So we've got a Yankee Candle out to test for it coming back.

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Post by jimbob » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:42 am

Chris Preston wrote:
Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:23 am
Herainestold wrote:
Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:17 am
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
The XB1.35 variant is the worst variant yet
There is no XB1.35 variant. The only example I can find of a variant named that way comes from a very odd twitter account, that uses exactly the same phrase as you.

The newer variants are not worse than earlier variants, just more infective. A worse variant would be one that made people more likely to be hospitalised or to die.
The underlined.

Yup. Looks like a standard alt-right antivaxer's strawman parody.

https://twitter.com/ZeroCOVID4Ever/stat ... 6834947074
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Post by Herainestold » Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:49 pm

Yes it is supposed to be XBB.1.5
Professor of Immunology and Biology at Yale School of Medicine Akiko Iwasaki, who has studied and written extensively on the immunology of the coronavirus and is working on developing mucosal sterilizing vaccines against it, warned in a recent tweet, “Please protect yourselves and others by wearing N95 masks. I am truly concerned about the Long COVID wave that follows this infection. I’m concerned because the putative ability of XBB.1.5 to have increased capacity to infect cell types that express even lower levels of ACE2. This will increase tropism and possibly persistence in cell types that are long lived [neurons].”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... i-j09.html
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Post by raven » Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:38 pm

Do we get a discount for second-timers in this club?

MrRaven bought an unwelcome present home from the US, weekend before last. He was a bit sneezy Tues/Weds, positive on Thursday. Full of cold and complaining of brain fog for two days. Almost back to normal now, just tired.

I started to feel pants Friday evening. Really rough Saturday, sinus pain, streaming nose, temp 103 (which explained the nausea too) dosed up with paracetamol, slept most of the day. Not a lot better Sunday. Monday bit less snotty, fever easing. Couldn't smell anything. No fever today, but mild cough and breathlessness on & off if I do too much. Smell coming back slowly.

Bit disappointed to feel so rubbish second time & after 4 doses of vaccine, but I guess them's the breaks. And it might've been worse because I'd not long got over that terrible cold that's going round.

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