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Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by Opti » Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:36 am

So, the word is that daily updates will be no longer published by April (or earlier) in the UK because people making 'irrational' decisions.
Has seeing the daily figures helped you make irrational decisions?
Time for a big fat one.

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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by Herainestold » Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:38 pm

Opti wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:36 am
So, the word is that daily updates will be no longer published by April (or earlier) in the UK because people making 'irrational' decisions.
Has seeing the daily figures helped you make irrational decisions?
I make irrational decisions every day. The covid figures help me to make rational ones.
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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by wilsontown » Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:46 pm

My question here would be "how do you think giving people access to less information will help them make more rational decisions?"

I can see that at some point (possibly already) mass testing of much of the population is going to fall foul of a cost-benefit analysis, but some level of testing will need to continue to look out for new variants and make decisions on any further vaccination programs etc. I can't see a case for keeping any of those data secret.
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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by Herainestold » Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:28 pm

As the covid situation gets more complicated we need more information not less. We should know what variants are out there, and where. We should know where cases are high, where they are increasing, what hospitalizations are doing, what is happening with long covid. What is it like in schools,
what is the situation with children?

In China they have the ability to test millions of people over a few days. We need to develop that kind of testing capacity to give a full picture of the state of the pandemic. Every day we should get a snapshot of the situation, so we can plan our activities and make good decisions.
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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by shpalman » Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:34 pm

What we don't need is newspaper live blogs just reporting today's numbers as compared to yesterday's numbers. Can we hide the data from them (give them the weekly averages or something) while the rest of us can access what we're interested in?
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Post by OffTheRock » Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:49 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:28 pm
As the covid situation gets more complicated we need more information not less. We should know what variants are out there, and where. We should know where cases are high, where they are increasing, what hospitalizations are doing, what is happening with long covid. What is it like in schools,
what is the situation with children?

In China they have the ability to test millions of people over a few days. We need to develop that kind of testing capacity to give a full picture of the state of the pandemic. Every day we should get a snapshot of the situation, so we can plan our activities and make good decisions.
China can batch test though. No way that's going to work over here. Virtually every batch would come back positive and you'd have to then test them all individually.

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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by wilsontown » Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:13 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:28 pm
As the covid situation gets more complicated we need more information not less. We should know what variants are out there, and where. We should know where cases are high, where they are increasing, what hospitalizations are doing, what is happening with long covid. What is it like in schools,
what is the situation with children?

In China they have the ability to test millions of people over a few days. We need to develop that kind of testing capacity to give a full picture of the state of the pandemic. Every day we should get a snapshot of the situation, so we can plan our activities and make good decisions.
The UK also has the ability to test millions of people over a few days. It's just everything else that's missing from the "test-trace-isolate-support" paradigm. But it's possibly moot by now.
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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by wilsontown » Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:15 pm

shpalman wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:34 pm
What we don't need is newspaper live blogs just reporting today's numbers as compared to yesterday's numbers. Can we hide the data from them (give them the weekly averages or something) while the rest of us can access what we're interested in?
Oh God, this. After two years how have they not worked out that daily fluctuations are more or less meaningless and the 7-day averages are far more informative.
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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by shpalman » Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:25 pm

wilsontown wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:15 pm
shpalman wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:34 pm
What we don't need is newspaper live blogs just reporting today's numbers as compared to yesterday's numbers. Can we hide the data from them (give them the weekly averages or something) while the rest of us can access what we're interested in?
Oh God, this. After two years how have they not worked out that daily fluctuations are more or less meaningless and the 7-day averages are far more informative.
Even the Guardian doesn't read their own articles.
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Re: Publishing daily Covid updates

Post by Herainestold » Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:34 pm

It seems the offical covid stats are bollocks anyway.
ZOE app shows cases heading above 200 000 per day.
London and the rest of the UK should expect Covid case rates to rise in the coming weeks, an expert has warned.

Professor Tim Spector, of the Zoe Covid Study app, issued the stark warning shortly after Boris Johnson lifted Plan B restrictions which saw work from home guidance and the legal requirement for masks dropped.

Across the UK, cases are now approaching 200,000 a day the as of January 31 - data from the study shows.

Among those with two shots of a vaccine, the study shows case rates could be as high as 74,474.

Speaking to the Standard, Professor Spector said: “You’ll get slightly more cases than the Omicron strain and it will be even harder to stop it spreading, that’s the worst thing it will be.
The increase in cases is being pushed by the new BA.2 strain, which experts believe is more infectious than the original Omicron variant, although data remains in its early stages.

Although Professor Spector said cases may reduce somewhat over the summer, he warned the UK will be hit by another variant next winter which will likely be more infectious.

A study by researchers at Statens Serum Institut (SSI), Copenhagen University, Statistics Denmark and Technical University of Denmark found those exposed to the new strain had a 39 per cent probability of being infected within seven days.

That is compared to 29 per cent for the original strain of Omicron.

The study analysed more than 8,500 Danish households with the new strain accounting for 82 per cent of the country’s cases, although the study is yet to be peer reviewed.

The study said: “We conclude that Omicron BA.2 is inherently substantially more transmissible than BA.1, and that it also possesses immune-evasive properties that further reduce the protective effect of vaccination against infection.”

The study also claimed the new strain is more effective at infecting vaccinated and booster-vaccinated people than BA.1.
https://www.msn.com/en-GB/news/uk/covid ... ar-AATp4YL
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