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Re: COVID-19

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:33 pm

My trips to shops or on trains seem to show mask wearing varying widely from 40% to 80% with no obvious explanation for why some days are worse/better than others.

I am noticing an almost 100% correlation between people who don’t wear masks and people who don’t watch where they are walking though. I’m getting a little fed up of jumping out the way every time. I may just stay the course and watch them bounce off.

Nah probably won’t. Don’t give a sh.t about them but I would like to avoid infecting my loved ones if I can (not too worried about myself now I’ve been vaxed although I’d still obviously rather not get it).
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Re: COVID-19

Post by shpalman » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:34 pm

Not-reviewed-yet preprint on virological and serological kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant vaccine-breakthrough infections.
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So for the first few days it's the same* but then in vaccinated subjects it decreases faster.

(Ct is the cycle threshold, so the y-axis is basically a logarithmic scale of how much DNA there is with lower numbers meaning more.)

* - vaccinated people would be less likely to catch it in the first place of course.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by wilsontown » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:18 pm

The 7-day case average increased slightly today for the first time since mid July. But it does look like there is something real about the fall in cases as hospital admissions are down.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by KAJ » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:09 pm

wilsontown wrote:
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The 7-day case average increased slightly today for the first time since mid July. But it does look like there is something real about the fall in cases as hospital admissions are down.
Here's my routine plot of cases by specimen date (the blue line is: ## `geom_smooth()` using method = 'loess' and formula 'y ~ x', maybe best ignored).
(Please let's avoid going down the plot details rabbit hole, this plot is really only intended for me. The data is at coronavirus.data.gov.uk if you prefer another analysis or presentation.)
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Latest 5 data are zero weighted as being "incomplete". The fit is pretty good...

Code: Select all

Coefficients:
               Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)    
(Intercept)     9.94467    0.05679 175.100  < 2e-16 ***
poly(date, 2)1  1.38921    0.18125   7.665 7.98e-09 ***
poly(date, 2)2 -2.38207    0.18216 -13.077 1.32e-14 ***
dayMon          0.34040    0.07936   4.289 0.000147 ***
dayTue          0.31559    0.07942   3.974 0.000363 ***
dayWed          0.33296    0.07953   4.186 0.000198 ***
dayThu          0.29790    0.07953   3.746 0.000688 ***
dayFri          0.18649    0.07942   2.348 0.025016 *  
daySat         -0.02750    0.07936  -0.347 0.731140    
---
Signif. codes:  0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1

Residual standard error: 0.1374 on 33 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-squared:  0.9303
... suggesting the fitted curve is a fairly good description of the last 6 weeks data.

I find the residuals plot suggestive...
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In the week after the Euros case numbers were substantially above the fitted curve, then went below, now are increasingly above again - even the latest 5 data which will probably be increased.

I also see hospital admissions decreasing...
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... but I fear that may be a decrease from a post-Euros peak to be followed by an increase to "underlying" trends (whatever that means!).

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Re: COVID-19

Post by Herainestold » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:09 pm

wilsontown wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:18 pm
The 7-day case average increased slightly today for the first time since mid July. But it does look like there is something real about the fall in cases as hospital admissions are down.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Woodchopper » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:19 am

Illness duration and symptom profile in symptomatic UK school-aged children tested for SARS-CoV-2
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Re: COVID-19

Post by wilsontown » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:21 am

The usual plot of daily change in the 7 day case average:

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Post by shpalman » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:36 am

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Admissions may have peaked but deaths (three week lag, 0.3% CFR) are probably going to go up to match the case peak you had.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by shpalman » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:02 pm

More than one-fifth of people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are aged between 18 and 34...
the proportion of patients aged 18-34 in hospital had nearly quadrupled from 5.4% at the peak of the winter wave in January to reach more than 20% last month, with 5,000 seriously ill in hospital.
The peak of the winter wave in January had about 34,000 patients in hospital in England in total (5.4% of 34,000 is 1840) while you had about 5,000 patients in hospital in total at the peak a few days ago ("more than 20%" of 5,000 is "more than 1000").
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Re: COVID-19

Post by headshot » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:31 pm

We need information on vaccination rates in those hospitalised...

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Post by jimbob » Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:45 pm

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/conten ... 31.2100707

It does look as though Scotland's football was responsible for their peak and their leaving the competition for it falling rather than school holidays being earlier in Scotland
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Woodchopper » Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:12 pm


Risk of infection and transmission of SARS- CoV-2 among children and adolescents in households, communities and educational settings: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Background
There is uncertainty with respect to SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children (0-19 years) with controversy on effectiveness of school-closures in controlling the pandemic. It is of equal importance to evaluate the risk of transmission in children who are often asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic carriers that may incidentally transmit SARS-CoV-2 in different settings. We conducted this review to assess transmission and risks for SARS-CoV-2 in children (by age- groups or grades) in community and educational-settings compared to adults.
Methods Data for the review were retrieved from PubMed, EMBASE, Cochrane Library, WHO COVID-19 Database, China National Knowledge Infrastructure (CNKI) Database, WanFang Database, Latin American and Caribbean Health Sciences Literature (LILACS), Google Schol- ar, and preprints from medRixv and bioRixv) covering a timeline from December 1, 2019 to April 1, 2021. Population-screening, contact-tracing and cohort studies reporting prevalence and transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in children were included. Data were extracted according to PRISMA guidelines. Meta-analyses were performed using Review Manager 5.3.

Results
Ninety studies were included. Compared to adults, children showed comparable national (risk ratio (RR)=0.87, 95% confidence interval (CI)=0.71-1.060 and subnational (RR=0.81, 95% CI=0.66-1.01) prevalence in population-screening studies, and lower odds of infection in community/household contact-tracing studies (odds ratio (OR)=0.62, 95% CI=0.46-0.84). On disaggregation, adolescents observed comparable risk (OR=1.22, 95% CI=0.74-2.04) with adults. In educational-settings, children attending daycare/preschools (OR=0.53, 95% CI=0.38-0.72) were observed to be at lower-risk when compared to adults, with odds of infection among primary (OR=0.85, 95% CI=0.55-1.31) and high-schoolers (OR=1.30, 95% CI=0.71-2.38) comparable to adults. Overall, children and adolescents had lower odds of infection in educational-settings compared to community and household clusters.

Conclusions
Children (<10 years) showed lower susceptibility to COVID-19 compared to adults, whereas adolescents in communities and high-schoolers had comparable risk. Risks of infection among children in educational-settings was lower than in communities. Evidence from school-based studies demonstrate it is largely safe for children (<10 years) to be at schools, however older children (10-19 years) might facilitate transmission. Despite this evidence, stud- ies focusing on the effectiveness of mitigation measures in educational settings are urgently needed to support both public health and educational policy-making for school reopening.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by jimbob » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:16 am

I couldn't think where this should go:

The antivax anti-lockdown HART group in the UK let anyone who registered see their rocket.int chats (the free version). They didn't realise this.

https://www.logically.ai/articles/hart- ... estminster

This is the one that really strikes me - from a different source to this article, which is only for background


Yes, they do refer to Covid as "the money tree"
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Woodchopper » Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:01 pm


Durability of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell responses at 12-months post-infection

Results.
SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies and T cells were detected at 12-months post-infection. Severity of acute illness was associated with higher frequencies of SARS-CoV-2-specific CD4 T cells and antibodies at 12-months. In contrast, polyfunctional and cytotoxic T cells responsive to SARS-CoV-2 were identified in participants over a wide spectrum of disease severity.

Conclusions.
Our data show that SARS-CoV-2 infection induces polyfunctional memory T cells detectable at 12-months post-infection, with higher frequency noted in those who originally experienced severe disease.

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Re: COVID-19

Post by shpalman » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:53 am

England’s R number between 0.8 and 1.0 based on last week when cases were coming down, which means that cases were coming down, except of course that they're obviously slowly going up again now as you can see by just looking at the data without needing to do any fancy analysis apart from assuming the testing rate is roughly constant.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by jimbob » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:22 am

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England’s R number between 0.8 and 1.0 based on last week when cases were coming down, which means that cases were coming down, except of course that they're obviously slowly going up again now as you can see by just looking at the data without needing to do any fancy analysis apart from assuming the testing rate is roughly constant.
Exactly, it's losing sight of what one uses R for. Given what we know about Covid spread (huge disparity in individual R compared to even other diseases) it's even more daft.

As we have been saying for a long time.

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Re: COVID-19

Post by lpm » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:27 am

R=0.9, R=1.1, it doesn't really matter. Fine tuning has always been a fantasy. When you're in the realm of doubling or halving over a month, you can stop watching daily or weekly figures.

What matters is R=1.3, when the trend becomes noticeable very quickly. Doubling time of 2 weeks and the acceleration starts to make a big difference.

The figures for Scotland are the ones to watch over the next couple of weeks - schools go back on Tues or Weds. Presumably it will restart the engine and fire up the heat map for <18s.

Then in England they're saying 1.7 million people will attend mass events this weekend. Probably weighted a bit towards the 18-30 group which are the lowest vaccine protection.
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R=0.9, R=1.1, it doesn't really matter. Fine tuning has always been a fantasy. When you're in the realm of doubling or halving over a month, you can stop watching daily or weekly figures.

What matters is R=1.3, when the trend becomes noticeable very quickly. Doubling time of 2 weeks and the acceleration starts to make a big difference.

The figures for Scotland are the ones to watch over the next couple of weeks - schools go back on Tues or Weds. Presumably it will restart the engine and fire up the heat map for <18s.

Then in England they're saying 1.7 million people will attend mass events this weekend. Probably weighted a bit towards the 18-30 group which are the lowest vaccine protection.
That's the point that I'm making and I think Shpalman is too. And if cases are increasing, it doesn't take much of a change to swap from 1.1 to 1.3.

Slowly-increasing isn't very stable with something like Covid.
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Post by lpm » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:15 am

Charts of all countries show lengthy stable periods.
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Post by shpalman » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:07 pm

You get less warning that things are going to sh.t if you wait for the R number from two weeks ago to tell you.

Italy's "orange" level seemed roughly in equilibrium with the virus in the days before delta and before vaccination but it obviously wasn't stable and the extra delay in analysing the numbers doesn't help with that.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by KAJ » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:59 pm

shpalman wrote:
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England’s R number between 0.8 and 1.0 based on last week when cases were coming down, which means that cases were coming down, except of course that they're obviously slowly going up again now as you can see by just looking at the data without needing to do any fancy analysis apart from assuming the testing rate is roughly constant.
Last 6 weeks "Virus tests conducted" from coronavirus.data.gov.uk (black line is regression fit, red is 7 day moving average).
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Post by raven » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:19 pm

Pretty graphs... Case rates by age and region from Friday's PHE report, which goes up to 5th August. Cases in northeast coming down nicely, some increases everywhere else in 20-29 yr olds (yellow lines), but now schools are out no similar increases in 10-19yr olds (blue). Some rises in 30-39 yrolds too. So, basically, the age groups that have lower vaccination rates and/or think they're indestructible and are still socialising.


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Re: COVID-19

Post by jimbob » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:19 pm

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Latest version of my UK phase plot for rolling 7day hospital admissions against rolling 7day cases for the UK from September 2020

And the same just against time

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Re: COVID-19

Post by jimbob » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:20 pm

raven wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:19 pm
Pretty graphs... Case rates by age and region from Friday's PHE report, which goes up to 5th August. Cases in northeast coming down nicely, some increases everywhere else in 20-29 yr olds (yellow lines), but now schools are out no similar increases in 10-19yr olds (blue). Some rises in 30-39 yrolds too. So, basically, the age groups that have lower vaccination rates and/or think they're indestructible and are still socialising.



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Aside. I am still annoyed that they don't sort out their colours to make them more intuitive. There's a reason why I use the topographical one so that adjacent series have similar colours.
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Post by raven » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:25 pm

jimbob wrote:
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Aside. I am still annoyed that they don't sort out their colours to make them more intuitive. There's a reason why I use the topographical one so that adjacent series have similar colours.
You're not the only one annoyed by that. (Why use two greens that are hard to tell apart?) MrRaven says it's probably because M$Office auto-selects rubbish colours.

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