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Re: COVID-19

Post by greyspoke » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:19 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:19 pm
New deaths in. Up by 181.
Though it is not the "new deaths" that are up by 181.

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Re: COVID-19

Post by Woodchopper » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:35 pm

A good thread on how the reality differs from expectations of how it would be like to deal with a pandemic: https://twitter.com/ct_bergstrom/status ... 69953?s=21

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Re: COVID-19

Post by jimbob » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:55 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:35 pm
A good thread on how the reality differs from expectations of how it would be like to deal with a pandemic: https://twitter.com/ct_bergstrom/status ... 69953?s=21
Sad, but interesting.

And again, we know Russian trolls have been amplifying antivax (and anti-antivax) in order to spread more FUD.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by FlammableFlower » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:57 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:35 pm
A good thread on how the reality differs from expectations of how it would be like to deal with a pandemic: https://twitter.com/ct_bergstrom/status ... 69953?s=21
That is very good.

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Re: COVID-19

Post by FlammableFlower » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:40 pm

US at the sharp end of pricing:
WaPo wrote:Andre Leite and Adrian Small, Washington D.C.-based luxury real estate agents with no medical-supply experience, said they have been cold-calling hospitals, mayors and nurses groups with an extraordinary offer: all the protective material they could need, delivered for an affordable price. They insist they know the right factories from their days buying porcelain and home-remodeling materials from Chinese industrial zones. And for their services, all they’re asking is a profit margin of about 20 percent.

“That’s the minimum I can go,” Leite said in an interview. “I’m telling people, ‘Stick your hand in your pocket, fish out a few bucks, and let’s do something about it.’ ”

Bonamo, of RWJBarnabas Health, said a team of hospital executives now sifts through a daily flood of pitches demanding upfront payments for a chance at supplies. Prices change by the day, soaring for the items health-care providers need most. Surgical masks that once cost 3 to 5 cents now cost several dollars a piece, while coveted N95 masks that once cost less than a dollar are now sold for $7.50 or more.
And I just can't get my head around the bit in bold...

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Re: COVID-19

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:38 pm

I don't think we're living in a police state but the tone of some police social media needs some work. This one made me want to pop out for food I wasn't desperate for (pot noodle) as a protest.

https://twitter.com/GMPDenton/status/12 ... 37345?s=20

"We continue to see people out on the streets. Unless you are a key worker or desperately need food or medicines you should remain at home."
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Re: COVID-19

Post by greyspoke » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:12 pm

Not all coppers are the brightest.

Give them an inch they'll take a mile.

But most of them are decent enough types.

[Other sayings about coppers are no doubt available.]

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Re: COVID-19

Post by sTeamTraen » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:59 pm

greyspoke wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:12 pm
[Other sayings about coppers are no doubt available.]
Over the last few years I've seen "ACAB" in graffiti or on far-left posters in several countries. It seems to be an anti-police meme even among people who don't know what the corresponding words are.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by JellyandJackson » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:20 pm

969 deaths in Italy today says the Beeb. It’s like a village every day. And over 40 doctors have died so far.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by JellyandJackson » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:27 pm

Also, Dr Adam Rutherford is recovering from a nasty secondary pneumonia. https://twitter.com/AdamRutherford/stat ... 4300015623
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:27 pm

Bearing in mind what happened to Boris Johnson this photo from tonight has “not aged well” stamped all over it
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Don’t they think social distancing applies to them?
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Brightonian » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:55 pm

Here in Ireland they've suddenly tightened the lockdown, effective tonight (news story).

One of the restrictions is everyone over 70 must stay inside at all times. My father was wanting to go for a stroll tomorrow morning, but that's now banned. He also can't visit the chemist's to pick up his prescription, and if I'm not allowed to collect them for him, then he has a problem. Also, there must be a fair number of people over 70 who don't have someone under 70 to get shopping and aren't able to order online (not that there are any delivery slots for weeks anyway).

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Re: COVID-19

Post by Grumble » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:58 pm

It would be a very great shame if a couple of people in that room were infectious.
ETA: that was about the photo above
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Re: COVID-19

Post by sTeamTraen » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:01 am

Brightonian wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:55 pm
Here in Ireland they've suddenly tightened the lockdown, effective tonight (news story).
Good. The measures they announced 2-3 days ago allowed you to go to the park and drink a few cans with 3 of your mates.
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One of the restrictions is everyone over 70 must stay inside at all times.
This hardly sends the message that "we're all in this together" and I can imagine a lot of active 71-year-olds going "f.ck that". Are the Gardai going to be asking for ID from everyone who looks like they might be close to 70? And it's hardly going to be good optics if they start fining older people who live on their own and need shopping, as you say, or perhaps want to walk their dog. Does any other country have age-related lockdown rules (apart from for children)?
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:32 am

Grumble wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:58 pm
It would be a very great shame if a couple of people in that room were infectious.
ETA: that was about the photo above
Oh my God

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/12 ... 39136?s=21
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Re: COVID-19

Post by shpalman » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:48 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:32 am
Grumble wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:58 pm
It would be a very great shame if a couple of people in that room were infectious.
ETA: that was about the photo above
Oh my God

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/12 ... 39136?s=21
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Pucksoppet » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:48 am

greyspoke wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:12 pm
Not all coppers are the brightest.
Rubbing the surface of the copper with a cloth soaked in Classic Coca-cola will soon bring the brilliance back.

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Re: COVID-19

Post by shpalman » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:19 am

having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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Re: COVID-19

Post by Little waster » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:35 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:32 am
Grumble wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:58 pm
It would be a very great shame if a couple of people in that room were infectious.
ETA: that was about the photo above
Oh my God

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/12 ... 39136?s=21
I was only out by a day :shock:
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Trump on TV

https://twitter.com/joekennedy/status/1 ... 8413375497

What the actual living f.ck.
And yet his approval ratings are up nearly 5% in the last two weeks. :shock:

At this point he's about 3 days away from directly-injecting coronavirus into the eyeballs of babies on national telly.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by jimbob » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:41 am

shpalman wrote:
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Re: COVID-19

Post by EACLucifer » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:45 pm

Clip of deputy CMO reckoning that WHO advice doesn't apply to us because it's aimed at poor and middle income countries. (via twitter, because I couldn't find the video url directly)

Heavy emphasis on sticking to the original plan (the one where they deliberately let people get infected because they were using stats from the wrong f.cking illness), attitude seems to be we can treat our way through it.

It's an illness with a frighteningly high death rate, a disturbing risk of long term damage to the survivors, that has overwhelmed health services with higher capacity/head of population than ours.

We really are f.cked, aren't we?

Arrogant, useless f.ckers who are more interested in defending their record than turning things round.

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Re: COVID-19

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:47 pm

Deaths have risen by 260 to 1,019. The trendline yesterday suggested we'd be on 1,015 deaths. Forecast for tomorrow is a rise of 272, taking it to 1,287.

The death numbers are now almost exactly 16 days behind Italy.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by lpm » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:08 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:47 pm
Deaths have risen by 260 to 1,019. The trendline yesterday suggested we'd be on 1,015 deaths. Forecast for tomorrow is a rise of 272, taking it to 1,287.

The death numbers are now almost exactly 16 days behind Italy.
15 days. I think.

Italy reported 1,016 as at 5 pm on 12 March.

UK reported 1,019 as at 5 pm on 27 March.

In cases, Italy 17,660 as at 5 pm on 13 March.

UK 17,089 as at 9 am on 28 March.

There might be some other lags in the counts in each country, plus differences in how to count home deaths in each country, but it's basically 15 days.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:14 pm

Ah okay, yeah, I hadn't taken the lag into account. Fair enough.
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Re: COVID-19

Post by sTeamTraen » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:41 pm

At the risk of tempting fate, some possibly good news: Italy's new daily cases number has now been lower than the peak (6,557, last Sunday) for 6 straight days. In less good news, the UK and US are still firmly on the exponential growth path.

Data from ECDC.eu (whose daily numbers may be more or less than those from other sources due to different granularity and cutoff times), code --- including terribly limited graphical skills --- by me.
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