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Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 7:14 pm
by Gfamily
Pishwish wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 4:56 pm
Boeing's long delayed Starliner space capsule launched yesterday, on its second test flight. (The second test flight was necessary because the first one did not go well in 2019). The failure of 2 thrusters on yesterday's flight is being downplayed, but it does indicate that Boeing has a long way to go before it can re-establish its reputation for competence.
If it's clear across the UK this evening at about 11pm, there is a relatively high passage of the ISS, and while it's passing over UK, the Starliner capsule will be making its final approach before docking. I've no idea how visible the Starliner will be, but it'll be worth having a pair of binoculars to see if you can see a separate point of light next to the ISS.

For us in NW England, the ISS will be visible from about 23:08 BST - and will take about 6 minutes to cross the sky.
The docking itself is scheduled for 00:10 BST.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 9:44 am
by Gfamily
I sent this message to my BIL and SIL in California about an astronomical event that may be somewhat exceptional for one night only.
If it's clear tonight at about 10pm there may be a very intense meteor shower visible from the US.

There's a comet (Schwassmann-Wachmann 3) that returns every 5½ years that seems to be breaking up, and we may be passing through its debris this year. The meteors can appear anywhere in the sky, so best to get a recliner and look to the south east between 9:30 and 11:30 this evening. No equipment needed. Only a possibility, but worth keeping an eye out for. It's badly timed for us in UK so we'll miss it.
The peak time is reckoned to be at about 5:00 UT - so translate to whatever your local timezone.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 7:06 pm
by dyqik
Gfamily wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 9:44 am
I sent this message to my BIL and SIL in California about an astronomical event that may be somewhat exceptional for one night only.
If it's clear tonight at about 10pm there may be a very intense meteor shower visible from the US.

There's a comet (Schwassmann-Wachmann 3) that returns every 5½ years that seems to be breaking up, and we may be passing through its debris this year. The meteors can appear anywhere in the sky, so best to get a recliner and look to the south east between 9:30 and 11:30 this evening. No equipment needed. Only a possibility, but worth keeping an eye out for. It's badly timed for us in UK so we'll miss it.
The peak time is reckoned to be at about 5:00 UT - so translate to whatever your local timezone.
9pm Eastern, so conveniently just as it gets properly dark.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:09 pm
by Martin Y
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/61617907

"This is the Perseid meteor shower..." No. It isn't. It's a dramatic view of star trails plus perhaps two meteors playing Where's Wally.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Tue May 31, 2022 10:48 pm
by Gfamily
Visible aerosol explains the appearance of Uranus

Spoiler:


Well, it amused me!

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:46 pm
by Martin Y
Just needed a way to crowbar in bleaching instead of whitening to achieve peak puerility.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:18 pm
by Gfamily
First images from the JWST to be released today and tomorrow.

One today at 10pm BST, and four more (I think) tomorrow at 3:30pm BST.

Can be watched on NASA TV.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:57 pm
by Grumble
Gfamily wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:18 pm
First images from the JWST to be released today and tomorrow.

One today at 10pm BST, and four more (I think) tomorrow at 3:30pm BST.

Can be watched on NASA TV.
Nothing on there at the moment, are you sure?

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:59 pm
by dyqik
Grumble wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:57 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:18 pm
First images from the JWST to be released today and tomorrow.

One today at 10pm BST, and four more (I think) tomorrow at 3:30pm BST.

Can be watched on NASA TV.
Nothing on there at the moment, are you sure?
It's at 5pm, in a couple of minutes.

It's been put off to 5:30.

https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:28 pm
by Gfamily
dyqik wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:59 pm
Grumble wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:57 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:18 pm
First images from the JWST to be released today and tomorrow.

One today at 10pm BST, and four more (I think) tomorrow at 3:30pm BST.

Can be watched on NASA TV.
Nothing on there at the moment, are you sure?
It's at 5pm, in a couple of minutes.

It's been put off to 5:30.

https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive
Waiting on the President, I gather

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:29 pm
by dyqik
Gfamily wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:28 pm
dyqik wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:59 pm
Grumble wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:57 pm


Nothing on there at the moment, are you sure?
It's at 5pm, in a couple of minutes.

It's been put off to 5:30.

https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive
Waiting on the President, I gather
Aren't we all?

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:31 pm
by Gfamily
dyqik wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:29 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:28 pm
dyqik wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:59 pm


It's at 5pm, in a couple of minutes.

It's been put off to 5:30.

https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive
Waiting on the President, I gather
Aren't we all?
Just Biden' our time...

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:46 pm
by Grumble
Is he having a nap or something?

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:49 pm
by dyqik
Grumble wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:46 pm
Is he having a nap or something?
I guess getting called Sleepy Joe all the time does give him an excuse.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:56 pm
by dyqik
This is very on-brand for the JWST project though.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:18 pm
by Grumble
Now it’s started, but how much blather will there be?

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:29 pm
by Grumble
Was that it? Didn’t even get a full screen of the image. Ah well, tomorrow should be a better show.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:30 pm
by dyqik
Grumble wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:29 pm
Was that it? Didn’t even get a full screen of the image. Ah well, tomorrow should be a better show.
The full resolution image is on the NASA website

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:54 pm
by WFJ
Huge lens flare. Is that not an issue for observations?

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:16 pm
by dyqik
WFJ wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:54 pm
Huge lens flare. Is that not an issue for observations?
Not really, no.

It's a natural consequence of JWST's segmented mirror - like Keck, TMT, ELT, MMT, etc.

It can be deconvolved from images, or images can be taken at multiple boresight angles, if necessary. But for most things, it's not that important.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:17 pm
by Gfamily
WFJ wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:54 pm
Huge lens flare. Is that not an issue for observations?
Diffraction patterns from a combination of the mirror segments and the secondary mirror supports.
It'll have an effect on faint objects very close to bright objects, but the main targets are going to be faint objects and hopefully not too close to bright ones.

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:02 am
by Grumble
dyqik wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:30 pm
Grumble wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:29 pm
Was that it? Didn’t even get a full screen of the image. Ah well, tomorrow should be a better show.
The full resolution image is on the NASA website
That’s what we wanted. Wow

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:53 am
by plodder
The slidey thing here: https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... axy-images

It's not lined up right, right? These are two different bits of space?

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:01 am
by shpalman
plodder wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:53 am
The slidey thing here: https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... axy-images

It's not lined up right, right? These are two different bits of space?
Here's an actual comparison between Hubble and James Webb images: https://youtu.be/VvDqxFLcZKk

Re: Astronomy and Space

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:06 am
by Gfamily
For an idea of the scale, imagine the photo on your phone's screen.
Now imagine you're a goalkeeper and the other goalkeeper is showing you this image from their goalline (I don't know why they have your phone, but bear with me). That's the area of the image* on the sky.


*Appx 7cm at 100 metres.