Re: Astronomy and Space
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:38 am
Apparently the destroyed ship was called SN8. How is that irreverent? I don't get it.
Has someone said it is? The next one is SN9, which seems fairly straightforward and not like a jokey naming scheme which SpaceX sometimes do. I thought last night’s test flight was awesome, that “bellyflop” manoeuvre was actually quite graceful to the point I could imagine people being inside one, once they sort out the landing.
What makes the flame go green?Gfamily wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmView of the landing - from the landing site.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/13 ... mp4?tag=10
You can see the burn weaken at the end
Copper seems an unlikely metal to use in a rocket motorMatatouille wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:09 pmThe chatter speculation has settled upon copper as the motor eats itself. As the propellent & oxidiser pressures dropped, the engines started combusting bits of itself.
It's used in combustion chamber linersGrumble wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:24 pmCopper seems an unlikely metal to use in a rocket motorMatatouille wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:09 pmThe chatter speculation has settled upon copper as the motor eats itself. As the propellent & oxidiser pressures dropped, the engines started combusting bits of itself.
At 25 seconds both engines are still running but by 26 seconds the engine on the left has cut out.Gfamily wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmView of the landing - from the landing site.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/13 ... mp4?tag=10
You can see the burn weaken at the end
Huh, I’d have thought a refractory metal would be more obvious. Is it used for cooling reasons?insignificant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:48 pmIt's used in combustion chamber linersGrumble wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:24 pmCopper seems an unlikely metal to use in a rocket motorMatatouille wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:09 pmThe chatter speculation has settled upon copper as the motor eats itself. As the propellent & oxidiser pressures dropped, the engines started combusting bits of itself.
The fuel and oxidiser are commonly circulated in pipes around the combustion chamber to cool it before they are fed into the chamber, so yeah, it could be for heat transfer reasons.Grumble wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:57 pmHuh, I’d have thought a refractory metal would be more obvious. Is it used for cooling reasons?
Ok, cooling the nozzle and preheating the fuel makes sense. Judging by the size of the bang there was plenty of fuel, and probably oxidiser, left so I wonder why pressure dropped.dyqik wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:16 pmThe fuel and oxidiser are commonly circulated in pipes around the combustion chamber to cool it before they are fed into the chamber, so yeah, it could be for heat transfer reasons.
And the low fuel/oxidiser pressure would reduce the amount of cooling, and thus lead to overheating. The fuel/oxidiser ratio changing with reduced pressure could also make the combustion run hotter (running a car engine lean can lead to overheating, as another example. There the incoming fuel charge is part of the cooling of the piston and valves - running lean tends to burn valves first).
SN8 has a separate smaller fuel tank for re-entry because the large tank fuel would slosh around.Grumble wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:30 pmOk, cooling the nozzle and preheating the fuel makes sense. Judging by the size of the bang there was plenty of fuel, and probably oxidiser, left so I wonder why pressure dropped.dyqik wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:16 pmThe fuel and oxidiser are commonly circulated in pipes around the combustion chamber to cool it before they are fed into the chamber, so yeah, it could be for heat transfer reasons.
And the low fuel/oxidiser pressure would reduce the amount of cooling, and thus lead to overheating. The fuel/oxidiser ratio changing with reduced pressure could also make the combustion run hotter (running a car engine lean can lead to overheating, as another example. There the incoming fuel charge is part of the cooling of the piston and valves - running lean tends to burn valves first).
RUD? Even urban dictionary isn’t giving me anything. Thanks for the extra detail though.bjn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:00 pmFrom my understanding the engine started to run oxidiser rich, as there was a problem with the methane tank being tested. Hot oxygen with nothing to burn decided to the eat the engine instead, including copper alloys. Green flames, not enough thrust to stop it + hard pad = RUD.
I'd guess that working directly with NASA for crewed vehicles means that they are being more staid about the naming.TimW wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:25 amNah, it just seems to be a Musk thing. The Boring Company, Tesla models, Falcon Heavy, I assume there are more.
To be fair, Bragg did more to ensure the defeat of the Confederacy than most Union generals.