COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Get your science fix here: research, quackery, activism and all the rest
User avatar
basementer
Dorkwood
Posts: 1504
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:03 pm
Location: 8024, Aotearoa
Contact:

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by basementer » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:38 pm

jimbob wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:50 am
basementer wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:20 pm
Jimbob has linked to the source above. It's supposed to be in the future after ocean level rise and political turmoil, but the f.ckwit who came up with it couldn't be arsed to redraw the coastlines.
That's why Lake Chad and the Aral Sea are the size they are People built barriers around the world and put all the excess water in those places.
And despite the political upheavals, everyone nicely shared out the rock that they dug out to deepen Lake Chad to make all the coastlines exactly the same shape they used to be. It's a kludge, a pathetic excuse for the fact that he was too lazy to redraw them.
Money is just a substitute for luck anyway. - Tom Siddell

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:58 pm

basementer wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:38 pm
jimbob wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:50 am
basementer wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:20 pm
Jimbob has linked to the source above. It's supposed to be in the future after ocean level rise and political turmoil, but the f.ckwit who came up with it couldn't be arsed to redraw the coastlines.
That's why Lake Chad and the Aral Sea are the size they are People built barriers around the world and put all the excess water in those places.
And despite the political upheavals, everyone nicely shared out the rock that they dug out to deepen Lake Chad to make all the coastlines exactly the same shape they used to be. It's a kludge, a pathetic excuse for the fact that he was too lazy to redraw them.
If you had to build dams around the world's coastline, you would need a lot of material, so it would be pretty deep.

Of course why the Low countries are using material from there is another question.

I was um... impressed by their laziness too
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
Vertigowooyay
Snowbonk
Posts: 423
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:25 pm

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Vertigowooyay » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:33 pm

Naomi Wolf is f.cking full on conspiracy theorist now. Covid denier, Bill Gates/Apple is/are evil, vaccines are designed to download software into your body full blown gonzo nonsense.
Calm yourself Doctor NotTheNineO’ClockNews. We’re men of science. We fear no worldly terrors.

User avatar
Little waster
After Pie
Posts: 2385
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:35 am
Location: About 1 inch behind my eyes

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Little waster » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:47 pm

Vertigowooyay wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:33 pm
Naomi Wolf is f.cking full on conspiracy theorist now. Covid denier, Bill Gates/Apple is/are evil, vaccines are designed to download software into your body full blown gonzo nonsense.
I was sad for a bit then I realised I was thinking of somebody else :oops:
This place is not a place of honor, no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here, nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.

User avatar
discovolante
Stummy Beige
Posts: 4141
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:10 pm

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by discovolante » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:51 pm

You forgot the time travelling nanoparticles.
Little waster wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:47 pm
Vertigowooyay wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:33 pm
Naomi Wolf is f.cking full on conspiracy theorist now. Covid denier, Bill Gates/Apple is/are evil, vaccines are designed to download software into your body full blown gonzo nonsense.
I was sad for a bit then I realised I was thinking of somebody else :oops:
The other one is well aware of this issue...
To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave.

User avatar
Bird on a Fire
Princess POW
Posts: 10142
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Location: Portugal

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:02 pm

Little waster wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:42 pm
Assuming however they are genuine people and genuinely GPs, I wonder if there would be any mileage in filing a complaint to the GMC? I’ve asked them to email me a copy if they can fish it out recycling.
... anonymously, for reasons that will become clear...
We have the right to a clean, healthy, sustainable environment.

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:31 pm

Little waster wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:47 pm
Vertigowooyay wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:33 pm
Naomi Wolf is f.cking full on conspiracy theorist now. Covid denier, Bill Gates/Apple is/are evil, vaccines are designed to download software into your body full blown gonzo nonsense.
I was sad for a bit then I realised I was thinking of somebody else :oops:
DON'T FORGET TIME TRAVEL

From memory and a reply to her tweet

"If your Naomi be Klein
You be fine
If your Naomi be Wolf
You be Oooff"
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

geejaytee
Clardic Fug
Posts: 195
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:32 pm
Location: Norf Landan, mate

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by geejaytee » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:20 pm

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/1 ... 3807864832
jd vance's 'holler aunt' @markpopham wrote:keeping track of things with the following rhyme:

if the Naomi be Klein
you’re doing just fine
If the Naomi be Wolf
Oh, buddy. Ooooof.
(By the way, anyone know how to embed tweets?)

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:38 pm

geejaytee wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:20 pm
https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/1 ... 3807864832
jd vance's 'holler aunt' @markpopham wrote:keeping track of things with the following rhyme:

if the Naomi be Klein
you’re doing just fine
If the Naomi be Wolf
Oh, buddy. Ooooof.
(By the way, anyone know how to embed tweets?)
That's the one. Cheers.

How about this:

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/stat ... 0273760257
Dr Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath
·
21h
Normal
0%
There's a serious problem with excess deaths in the under 64s at the moment.

The peak was far higher than in the older groups and it is not coming down as fast. The difference amounts to over 700 deaths in 60-64 yrs and 1000 in the under 60s.

This is not COVID (see next graph)
Dr Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath
·
21h
Normal
0%
COVID deaths are tracking for every age group as a percentage of the Spring peak.
Dr Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath
Normal
0%
Replying to
@ClareCraigPath
The excess death graph is calculated by taking each week of deaths, subtracting the number of deaths the week of the minimum in September and then taking the percentage compared with the Spring peak
.
Yes

Image

and look at the September minimum, which makes it even more "eccentric" than it seems:

Image

Yes there's a bank holiday effect - unless she's not being clear in what she says. And sadly, I do think she believes what she writes.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:33 pm

jimbob wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:38 pm
geejaytee wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:20 pm
https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/1 ... 3807864832
jd vance's 'holler aunt' @markpopham wrote:keeping track of things with the following rhyme:

if the Naomi be Klein
you’re doing just fine
If the Naomi be Wolf
Oh, buddy. Ooooof.
(By the way, anyone know how to embed tweets?)
That's the one. Cheers.

How about this:

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/stat ... 0273760257
Dr Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath
·
21h
Normal
0%
There's a serious problem with excess deaths in the under 64s at the moment.

The peak was far higher than in the older groups and it is not coming down as fast. The difference amounts to over 700 deaths in 60-64 yrs and 1000 in the under 60s.

This is not COVID (see next graph)
Dr Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath
·
21h
Normal
0%
COVID deaths are tracking for every age group as a percentage of the Spring peak.
Dr Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath
Normal
0%
Replying to
@ClareCraigPath
The excess death graph is calculated by taking each week of deaths, subtracting the number of deaths the week of the minimum in September and then taking the percentage compared with the Spring peak
.
Yes

Image

and look at the September minimum, which makes it even more "eccentric" than it seems:

Image

Yes there's a bank holiday effect - unless she's not being clear in what she says. And sadly, I do think she believes what she writes.
And this is what every week since wk31, 1999 would look like (pink being excess according to that measure)

Image
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
bob sterman
Dorkwood
Posts: 1183
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:25 pm
Location: Location Location

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by bob sterman » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:35 pm

I can't quite work out what she is on about but with this...
There's a serious problem with excess deaths in the under 64s at the moment. The peak was far higher than in the older groups and it is not coming down as fast.
...would she happen to be referring to the largely unvaccinated under 64s??? Compared to older groups who started to be vaccinated in late December??

Hmmmmm

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:10 pm

bob sterman wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:35 pm
I can't quite work out what she is on about but with this...
There's a serious problem with excess deaths in the under 64s at the moment. The peak was far higher than in the older groups and it is not coming down as fast.
...would she happen to be referring to the largely unvaccinated under 64s??? Compared to older groups who started to be vaccinated in late December??

Hmmmmm
The more you think about it, the less sense it makes.

I don't think it's you.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
sTeamTraen
After Pie
Posts: 2562
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:24 pm
Location: Palma de Mallorca, Spain

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:22 am

Has Clare Craig not f.cked off yet? Geez.

She's a doctor (specialised in pathology, but nonetheless, a properly qualified medical doctor) who has managed to be unemployed for the entire pandemic. I hope suspect she is going to be unemployable in any capacity after this is over, apart perhaps the GB-UK-definitely-not-RWNJ-News's science correspondent.
Something something hammer something something nail

User avatar
Woodchopper
Princess POW
Posts: 7241
Joined: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:05 am

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Woodchopper » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:25 pm

YouTube removed 30,000 videos with COVID misinformation
https://www.axios.com/youtube-removed-3 ... c1b6a.html

geejaytee
Clardic Fug
Posts: 195
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:32 pm
Location: Norf Landan, mate

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by geejaytee » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:47 pm

And look, everyone's favourite HPV vaccine denier safety researcher Peter Gøtzsche is complaining that his work is being used by antivaxxers to push their conspiracy theories:
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/03 ... oting-him/

User avatar
sTeamTraen
After Pie
Posts: 2562
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:24 pm
Location: Palma de Mallorca, Spain

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by sTeamTraen » Wed May 12, 2021 11:58 am

From a Facebook discussion. I think this is quite beautiful in its own way.

Untitled.png
Untitled.png (5.74 KiB) Viewed 31121 times

This same person who thinks it's suspicious that the government is not telling us how to "boost our immune systems(*)" is, of course, simultaneously arguing that Covid is not actually dangerous(**), thus making one wonder why we would need the boost to our immune systems. But never mind, I'm sure there's some form of logic somewhere.


(*) To the extent that one has "an immune system" (other than as a metaphor) that can be "boosted", getting a vaccine would seem to be quite a good way to do it.

(**) Although it was developed as a bio-weapon by the Chinese.
Something something hammer something something nail

User avatar
shpalman
Princess POW
Posts: 8385
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:53 pm
Location: One step beyond
Contact:

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by shpalman » Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:58 am
From a Facebook discussion. I think this is quite beautiful in its own way.


Untitled.png


This same person who thinks it's suspicious that the government is not telling us how to "boost our immune systems(*)" is, of course, simultaneously arguing that Covid is not actually dangerous(**), thus making one wonder why we would need the boost to our immune systems. But never mind, I'm sure there's some form of logic somewhere.


(*) To the extent that one has "an immune system" (other than as a metaphor) that can be "boosted", getting a vaccine would seem to be quite a good way to do it.

(**) Although it was developed as a bio-weapon by the Chinese.
people in the UK wrote:the government should tell us how to boost our immune systems
The government.
people in the UK wrote:no, not like that
(although of course if you're in hospital suffering a cytokine storm in the later stages of the infection, you get given drugs to tell your immune system to calm down)
having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
@shpalman@mastodon.me.uk

User avatar
Little waster
After Pie
Posts: 2385
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:35 am
Location: About 1 inch behind my eyes

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Little waster » Wed May 12, 2021 3:27 pm

shpalman wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 pm
sTeamTraen wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:58 am
From a Facebook discussion. I think this is quite beautiful in its own way.


Untitled.png


This same person who thinks it's suspicious that the government is not telling us how to "boost our immune systems(*)" is, of course, simultaneously arguing that Covid is not actually dangerous(**), thus making one wonder why we would need the boost to our immune systems. But never mind, I'm sure there's some form of logic somewhere.


(*) To the extent that one has "an immune system" (other than as a metaphor) that can be "boosted", getting a vaccine would seem to be quite a good way to do it.

(**) Although it was developed as a bio-weapon by the Chinese.
people in the UK wrote:the government should tell us how to boost our immune systems
The government.
people in the UK wrote:no, not like that
(although of course if you're in hospital suffering a cytokine storm in the later stages of the infection, you get given drugs to tell your immune system to calm down)
Between my asthma and hay-fever ATM my immune system can GTAF and then f.ck off some more, never mind boosting the f.cker. :evil:
This place is not a place of honor, no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here, nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Mon May 17, 2021 9:14 pm

It's not really a conspiracy but it is pretty stupid

https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/stat ... 0697451523
Screenshot 2021-05-17 221405.png
Screenshot 2021-05-17 221405.png (259.78 KiB) Viewed 30959 times
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
Martin Y
Stummy Beige
Posts: 3127
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:08 pm

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Martin Y » Mon May 17, 2021 10:09 pm

Am I going f.cking mad? Help me out here. I'm on my phone so can't internet properly.

Got in an ill-advised argument on FB with an anti-vaxxer who insists the UK govt website says 1,419 vaccine deaths since 5th Jan. I presume he's talking about yellow cards but he keeps blustering and insisting I'm just too stupid to read the data and to be frank FB is so sh.t for searching back through even not on a phone...

So far as I know we have a handful of deaths probably attributable to AZ and that's it. Am I off by a couple of orders of magnitude or is FB guy just the prick I think he is?

User avatar
Martin Y
Stummy Beige
Posts: 3127
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:08 pm

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Martin Y » Mon May 17, 2021 10:16 pm

Correction: 1143 "vaccine deaths". He also says 2020 was 37th out of the last 50 years for deaths so it sounds as if he has done his crank homework.

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Mon May 17, 2021 10:29 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 10:09 pm
Am I going f.cking mad? Help me out here. I'm on my phone so can't internet properly.

Got in an ill-advised argument on FB with an anti-vaxxer who insists the UK govt website says 1,419 vaccine deaths since 5th Jan. I presume he's talking about yellow cards but he keeps blustering and insisting I'm just too stupid to read the data and to be frank FB is so sh.t for searching back through even not on a phone...

So far as I know we have a handful of deaths probably attributable to AZ and that's it. Am I off by a couple of orders of magnitude or is FB guy just the prick I think he is?
How about linking to it on the scrutineers FB group? Several people there have a lot of vaccine data.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
Martin Y
Stummy Beige
Posts: 3127
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:08 pm

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by Martin Y » Mon May 17, 2021 10:31 pm

I know there *is* a scrutible FB group but have never found it.

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Mon May 17, 2021 10:32 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 10:16 pm
Correction: 1143 "vaccine deaths". He also says 2020 was 37th out of the last 50 years for deaths so it sounds as if he has done his crank homework.
That's bollocks. I can link to tweets with credible data on that.

The previous time there were 600,000 deaths in a year was 1918.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
jimbob
Light of Blast
Posts: 5425
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: COVID-19 conspiracy motherlode

Post by jimbob » Mon May 17, 2021 10:36 pm

deleted
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

Post Reply