Oops, didn't see that bit 'cos I was reading on my phoneVertigowooyay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:08 pmWhilst propagating lies about the ‘forced MMR’ causing problems that measles *definitely* causes in an outbreak that clearly shows the dangers of not immunizing. That was the cause of the FFS. In the aftermath of this horrific outbreak, this will pop up on tons of antivax sites about how it’s vitamins that did it, not MMR.
Wrong link? That's a video of a swing(?) dance.Squeak wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:41 amAnd getting grimmer.
My step-sister just started a job in Samoa, helping to develop their education system. She's currently working from a desk at my dad's house in South Australia because there's no child care of any kind available in Apia, so she'd be stuck at home with two small children instead of doing what she's employed to do. And she won't go back for at least a couple of months.
Alongside the entire government being shut down for a short period, I wonder how many more aid/development programs are being hamstrung as their ex-pat staff are evacuating. And the ramifications must be filtering through every part of society. What do you do with your kids during work hours if there are no schools, kindergartens, or options for a small number of adults to supervise a large number of kids?
Maybe local under currents swirling round here https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404583 ... a-to-samoaWhat's wrong with that?
They are doing something useful.
International anti-vaccination groups are sending the vitamins in a bid to help combat the disease. But there has been a mixed reaction to their efforts, as Samoan authorities struggle to combat low vaccination rates in the country.
The shipments are being received by a Samoan businessman, Edwin Tamasese, who opposes the use of paracetamol and antibiotics for measles patients.
He said the vitamins are working.
"We're having really good success, like in 16 hours we're having kids that are lying there looking like they're going to pass away, and they are weak, but then they get up and start drinking, and start to eat."
No harm?? Well OK if it doesn't dilute the message about getting the population vaccinatedUtah teacher Amy Morris is among those who have sent packages.
The mother of three hasn't vaccinated her own children for MMR and said Samoan children need the vitamins due to higher levels of malnutrition.
"For example here in the United States, if someone were to get the measles, they would usually be fine, because they have enough vitamin A and nutrition. But in places like Samoa or other countries, the infection can cause encephalitis, and possible seizures."
So, yer man, Tamasese, has never heard of nor suffered from a secondary bacterial infection? Or does vit A magically sort those out too?Bugs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:22 amRe Amy Morris & vitamin supplementsMaybe local under currents swirling round here https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404583 ... a-to-samoaWhat's wrong with that?
They are doing something useful.International anti-vaccination groups are sending the vitamins in a bid to help combat the disease. But there has been a mixed reaction to their efforts, as Samoan authorities struggle to combat low vaccination rates in the country.
The shipments are being received by a Samoan businessman, Edwin Tamasese, who opposes the use of paracetamol and antibiotics for measles patients.
He said the vitamins are working.
"We're having really good success, like in 16 hours we're having kids that are lying there looking like they're going to pass away, and they are weak, but then they get up and start drinking, and start to eat."No harm?? Well OK if it doesn't dilute the message about getting the population vaccinatedUtah teacher Amy Morris is among those who have sent packages.
The mother of three hasn't vaccinated her own children for MMR and said Samoan children need the vitamins due to higher levels of malnutrition.
"For example here in the United States, if someone were to get the measles, they would usually be fine, because they have enough vitamin A and nutrition. But in places like Samoa or other countries, the infection can cause encephalitis, and possible seizures."
Fucksticks. Guess what else I was doing today?Brightonian wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:20 amWrong link? That's a video of a swing(?) dance.Squeak wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:41 amAnd getting grimmer.
My step-sister just started a job in Samoa, helping to develop their education system. She's currently working from a desk at my dad's house in South Australia because there's no child care of any kind available in Apia, so she'd be stuck at home with two small children instead of doing what she's employed to do. And she won't go back for at least a couple of months.
Alongside the entire government being shut down for a short period, I wonder how many more aid/development programs are being hamstrung as their ex-pat staff are evacuating. And the ramifications must be filtering through every part of society. What do you do with your kids during work hours if there are no schools, kindergartens, or options for a small number of adults to supervise a large number of kids?
the guardian wrote:Another challenge, he said, was that some people had been seeking help from traditional healers, who had been successfully treating tropical diseases in Samoa for some 4,000 years.
“Some of our people pay a visit to traditional healers thinking that measles is a typical tropical disease, which it is not,” the prime minister said.
The piece also points out that a national appeal has asked for funds to,Dr. Turner [chair of the immunisation working group to the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts to the W.H.O.] has been following Samoa and other countries around the world grapple with measles, including New Zealand. She said by and large, poverty is a major contributor to whether families vaccinate their children or not. For poor, busy, and often very large families, preventative healthcare like vaccinations are not a priority. Like her United Nations colleagues, Dr. Turner is loath to suggest anti-vaccine attitudes cause epidemics, but are rather a symptom of larger problems.
“Every time we look at the major issues for why immunisation coverage rates are low it’s because our systems need strengthening,” she said. “If the system doesn’t work well the community loses trust and then anti-vaccination gets in. We have to make our healthcare services work for our communities and that means we have to get out there and support our communities, get the services to them effectively in a way that works for the communities.”
A lack of digitised records suggests, to my uninformed mind, an underfunded health services that has not been modernised.digitise vaccination records that up until how have been entirely paper based and could not accurately reflect immunisation rates, nor inform any activities to deal with the epidemic.
I didn't realise the vaccination program had been suspended and I can certainly understand why people would have little confidence in it once it was reactivated.In 2018, two babies died shortly after getting measles vaccinations. The nurses who administered the injections had incorrectly mixed an expired anaesthetic with the vaccine. *It prompted the Government to suspend the nation's vaccination program* and though it was eventually restored, many Samoan mothers no longer trusted the vaccination process.[my emphasis]
On this point - I don't know much about the Pacific Islands, but across most low- and lower-middle income countries (LMICs, pretty much all of Africa apart from South Africa, I think, and much of SE Asia and some of South America), paper-based recording is evident to some and possibly a very great extent.Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:49 am
The piece also points out that a national appeal has asked for funds to,A lack of digitised records suggests, to my uninformed mind, an underfunded health services that has not been modernised.digitise vaccination records that up until how have been entirely paper based and could not accurately reflect immunisation rates, nor inform any activities to deal with the epidemic.
Not helped by the interference of foreign anti-vaccine activists from Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. Robert F. Kennedy Jr visited Samoa last July where he was photographed with an Australian WAG and anti-vaccine activists. He has also written a letter to the Prime Minister accerting that the measles outbreak in Samoa was caused by the MMR vaccine.Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:01 pmHerainestold is correct that the death toll is up to 70. However, while the outbreak is due in part to poverty and under-development, particularly in the health service, the charge of racism as a contributing factor seems to be misplaced. The BBC points out that nearby Nauru, Nuie and Cook Islands have vaccine rates around 99%. While there are systemic issues that have contributed, the precipitating factor in this situation appears to be the death of two children following vaccination in 2018 and the following lack of leadership on the part of the government to reassure the population that such accidents would not occur again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... utType=ampDr. Sheldon Yett, the UNICEF representative to the Pacific, has put the case bluntly: “People who are spreading lies and misinformation about vaccinations are killing children.” Such lies are among the United States’ worst exports to the world.
So true. It is the epicentre of anti-vax sentiment. It needs to stop.
So your worldview is a conspiracy? Good to know.
90% of the worlds problems are due to white Americans.
If you're blaming white Americans then the counter you're looking for would be "non-Americans or persons of colour" rather than "non-American persons of colour".Herainestold wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:07 pm90% of the worlds problems are due to white Americans.
How many of the anti-vaxers are non American persons of colour?
