Re: LHC restart
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:11 pm
Almost as embarrassing as those other scientists who published that they had found neutrinos travelling faster than light, just before they discovered it was faulty electrical connector on one of their machines.shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:11 pmTurns out that you don't need to make up a new kind of neutrino if you just do your beta decay calculations properly
But in that case IIRC they clearly stated that they did not think the neutrinos were really going faster than light. They just couldn't figure out how the measurements were what they were and needed help with that, and other people managed to find the problem. To posit a new particle to explain anomalous results instead of trying a bit harder to find an error flies in the face of Occam's razor.IvanV wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:18 pmAlmost as embarrassing as those other scientists who published that they had found neutrinos travelling faster than light, just before they discovered it was faulty electrical connector on one of their machines.shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:11 pmTurns out that you don't need to make up a new kind of neutrino if you just do your beta decay calculations properly
The problem wasn't found by other people since it was a technical problem within the lab rather than an issue with the analysis. It's not like other people came to their lab to check the connections. (Although someone did apparently guess correctly what the issue might be.)jaap wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:45 pmBut in that case IIRC they clearly stated that they did not think the neutrinos were really going faster than light. They just couldn't figure out how the measurements were what they were and needed help with that, and other people managed to find the problem. To posit a new particle to explain anomalous results instead of trying a bit harder to find an error flies in the face of Occam's razor.IvanV wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:18 pmAlmost as embarrassing as those other scientists who published that they had found neutrinos travelling faster than light, just before they discovered it was faulty electrical connector on one of their machines.shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:11 pmTurns out that you don't need to make up a new kind of neutrino if you just do your beta decay calculations properly