Evidence for care of disabled children in Neanderthal community
Evidence for care of disabled children in Neanderthal community
This is very interesting
https://www.science.org/content/article ... anderthals
If people are interested in knowing more about Neanderthals, the Rebecca Wragg Sykes book Kindred is well worth reading (also good as an audiobook).
https://www.science.org/content/article ... anderthals
If people are interested in knowing more about Neanderthals, the Rebecca Wragg Sykes book Kindred is well worth reading (also good as an audiobook).
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Re: Evidence for care of disabled children in Neanderthal community
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Re: Evidence for care of disabled children in Neanderthal community
There's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
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Re: Evidence for care of disabled children in Neanderthal community
Certainly, and a bit wider, as far as I remember chimpanzees, wolves and dolphins have also been observed assisting injured members of the troop, pack or school. For example giving them food or among dolphins helping one to breathe. Herbivores in a herd will also try to protect young and old members from predators.lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pmThere's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
It seems pretty common among mammals at least.
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Definitely chimps, as recorded by Frans de Waal with an older female. Not sure it would happen with an old male as a young one would take advantage to supplant them.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:13 amCertainly, and a bit wider, as far as I remember chimpanzees, wolves and dolphins have also been observed assisting injured members of the troop, pack or school. For example giving them food or among dolphins helping one to breathe. Herbivores in a herd will also try to protect young and old members from predators.lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pmThere's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
It seems pretty common among mammals at least.
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In many eagle species the parents permit and/or encourage siblicide. So they can be a bit selective in their care!!lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pmThere's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
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Re: Evidence for care of disabled children in Neanderthal community
My parents operated on a similar principlebob sterman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:18 pmIn many eagle species the parents permit and/or encourage siblicide. So they can be a bit selective in their care!!lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pmThere's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
Re: Evidence for care of disabled children in Neanderthal community
Arguably something went awry with these eagles' instincts and the fault caused them not to abandon the failure.bob sterman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:18 pmIn many eagle species the parents permit and/or encourage siblicide. So they can be a bit selective in their care!!lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pmThere's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
Likewise, arguably, something went wrong with the Neanderthal instincts.
And hence something is wrong with Homo sapiens instincts. Infanticide is logical and profitable.
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And tastylpm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:00 pmArguably something went awry with these eagles' instincts and the fault caused them not to abandon the failure.bob sterman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:18 pmIn many eagle species the parents permit and/or encourage siblicide. So they can be a bit selective in their care!!lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pmThere's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
Likewise, arguably, something went wrong with the Neanderthal instincts.
And hence something is wrong with Homo sapiens instincts. Infanticide is logical and profitable.
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lpm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:00 pmArguably something went awry with these eagles' instincts and the fault caused them not to abandon the failure.bob sterman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:18 pmIn many eagle species the parents permit and/or encourage siblicide. So they can be a bit selective in their care!!lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pmThere's the story about a pair of white tailed eagles taking care of a disabled offspring in its second year.
We would be surprised if caring didn't happen in all Homo species, not that it did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gxvgp6reo
Likewise, arguably, something went wrong with the Neanderthal instincts.
And hence something is wrong with Homo sapiens instincts. Infanticide is logical and profitable.
The more effort it takes to produce offspring, the more likely the parents will try to keep them going. They may well have some value to the community in the case of social animals (mammals) whereas birds are not social and the only imperative is to breed and breed again. There are various roles within a community, only one in birds, reptiles and the smallest, fastest breeding mammals that are not social.
It takes much less effort and investment to lay eggs and raise chicks in a few weeks/months than a long gestation and dependent infancy. If there's a longer period between females being in oestrus it could take too long to produce a replacement too.