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Jurassic Louse

Post by Fishnut » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:16 am

New research published in Nature Communications (open access) has revealed that feathered dinosaurs had lice. The Guardian has a good report on the find.

The lice were found on feathers trapped in Burmese amber, thought to date from around 99mya (so technically it's Cretaceous). They are nymphs and the feathers show evidence of having been eaten by lice, with the damage having similarities to that of modern lice. The paper concludes,
the new findings provide the earliest known evidence about the origin of ectoparasitic insects feeding on feathers, which strongly support that the integument-feeding behaviors of insects appeared during or before the mid-Cretaceous along with the radiations of feathered dinosaurs including birds.
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Post by lpm » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:36 pm

This is pretty amazing. The things we humans can discover.
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Post by Martin Y » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:46 pm

Well this entirely overturns the prevailing theory that early birds got worms.

Srsly tho, that's quite amazing. Thanks for the link.

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Post by lpm » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:53 pm

I am jealous of this joke.
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Post by Martin Y » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:02 pm

lpm wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:53 pm
I am jealous of this joke.
I'm so smug I'm almost hugging myself with glee.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:47 pm

Just remember, Cagney never actually said "You Jurassic louse!"

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Post by Gfamily » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:54 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:02 pm
lpm wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:53 pm
I am jealous of this joke.
I'm so smug I'm almost hugging myself with glee.
It's one of the ones you go back to look at, just to confirm it's real.
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Post by basementer » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:08 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:02 pm
lpm wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:53 pm
I am jealous of this joke.
I'm so smug I'm almost hugging myself with glee.
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Post by jimbob » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:15 pm

Me neither
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm

This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
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Post by Martin Y » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm
This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
It's the detail of the preservation that really staggers me. Round of applause for amber.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:37 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:34 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm
This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
It's the detail of the preservation that really staggers me. Round of applause for amber.
Yes, the photos of the insects themselves are amazing, plus they can detect feather damage on preserved feathers! Wow!
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:42 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:34 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm
This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
It's the detail of the preservation that really staggers me. Round of applause for amber.
Without mosquitos entombed in amber we wouldn't have live Utahraptors today. :o

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Post by lpm » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:53 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm
This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
Do these lice or similar have parasites of their own? Are there chains of many species?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:39 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:53 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm
This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
Do these lice or similar have parasites of their own? Are there chains of many species?
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Post by shpalman » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:40 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm
This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
And then suddenly all the birds on Anglesey die... coincidence? I think not.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:28 pm

shpalman wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:40 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:32 pm
This is really cool. Pretty much all bird species have feather lice, many of which are host-specific, and feather lice are used as a model group for studying host-parasite coevolution. Amazing to think that these lineages might go back that far.
And then suddenly all the birds on Anglesey die... coincidence? I think not.
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Re: Jurassic Louse

Post by GeenDienst » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:28 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:53 pm
Do these lice or similar have parasites of their own? Are there chains of many species?
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Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so, ad infinitum.
And the great fleas, themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on;
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.
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