I'd vote for her.dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:12 pmOnly if it's our Egbert.Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:21 pmWe should have an Egbert again. Sounds like a children’s character.
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I'd go for El-not-'im
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Might even have happened three times IIRC. It got to the stage that you couldn't help reading between the lines and guessing the whole newsroom called him Jeremy c.nt so often that they sometimes made the slip on-air.
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Yep. If you're trying very hard not to say something, sooner or later you will.Martin Y wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:54 pmMight even have happened three times IIRC. It got to the stage that you couldn't help reading between the lines and guessing the whole newsroom called him Jeremy c.nt so often that they sometimes made the slip on-air.
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That still doesn't make Lizzie Lizzie the second, since she is still the first of the united crowns to be called Lizzie.WFJ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:03 pmThe "nth and mth" style hasn't been used since 1707, as the kingdoms of England and Scotland no longer exist.Allo V Psycho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:41 amWeird truthoid: When an Elizabeth ascended to the throne, they didn't call her Elizabeth the First and Second: they just ignored the fact that the Scots had never had an Elizabeth before. This didn't go down too well in the Northern country: I seem to remember that red pillar boxes marked E2R got blown up. And I remember a popular song which wentCardinal Fang wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:30 pm
Weird factoid. Because the UK monarch is now the ruler of both England and Scotland, were there to be another King James, they wouldn't be James III, they would be James VIII, because they would have to take into account the James's in the Scottish line (James VII is who we know as James II)
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"Scotland disnae hae a King, it disnae hae a Queen,
How can there be a second Liz, when the first yin's never been?
We'll mak our land Republican, at the Scottish Breakaway"
Incidentally the last King of Scotland was Idi Amin. The traditional style of the monarch was King or Queen of Scots (possibly up to the Union of the Crowns). Which actually makes a bit of a philosophical difference.
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As mentioned above, it goes by the lowest number that gives a unique name across the UK. It had nothing to do with ignoring Scotland, and any future kings called James, Duncan, Robert, MacBeth etc will follow on from the last Scottish monarchs with those names.Allo V Psycho wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:51 pmThat still doesn't make Lizzie Lizzie the second, since she is still the first of the united crowns to be called Lizzie.WFJ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:03 pmThe "nth and mth" style hasn't been used since 1707, as the kingdoms of England and Scotland no longer exist.Allo V Psycho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:41 am
Weird truthoid: When an Elizabeth ascended to the throne, they didn't call her Elizabeth the First and Second: they just ignored the fact that the Scots had never had an Elizabeth before. This didn't go down too well in the Northern country: I seem to remember that red pillar boxes marked E2R got blown up. And I remember a popular song which went
"Scotland disnae hae a King, it disnae hae a Queen,
How can there be a second Liz, when the first yin's never been?
We'll mak our land Republican, at the Scottish Breakaway"
Incidentally the last King of Scotland was Idi Amin. The traditional style of the monarch was King or Queen of Scots (possibly up to the Union of the Crowns). Which actually makes a bit of a philosophical difference.
If multiple regnal numbers were to be used for parts of the kingdom, why stop at Scotland. William III & II of England and Scotland's name ignored Wales (where he was the first), and William IV should have been William IV, III, II & I of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland respectively. And if the current William becomes king, these should all be incremented (with I replaced by NI—or maybe not).
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And don’t forget the commonwealth countries that have her as head of state. She is Lizzy II in Australia and New Zealand, even though those land masses weren’t even known to Europeans during Lizzy I’d reign, let alone settled or countries in the modern sense.
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Just call them by their regular names.
Elizabeth Tudor. Elizabeth Windsor.
All this silly numbering is playing along with the fantasy that they are special.
Elizabeth Tudor. Elizabeth Windsor.
All this silly numbering is playing along with the fantasy that they are special.
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Don't think about elephants.Tessa K wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:51 pmYep. If you're trying very hard not to say something, sooner or later you will.
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They are special, because they cannot be removed from post without a credible threat of public disorder and violence.
She should be called Elizabeth Betterthanyou.
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Or to give her her real name, Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg Gotha.
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Except it isn't. The family name was changed to Windsor during WW1 in order to sound less German.
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That argument is as circular as a really circly thing.
They are special because we allow them to claim a whole bunch of special things. Chip all of that away and they're no longer special. Fancy naming, magic coronation rituals, unique access to govt, their own tax laws...
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Exactly. They are special because of the things that make them special. There's no circular argument there. Nothing special would be special if you ignore all the special things about them.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:52 amThat argument is as circular as a really circly thing.
They are special because we allow them to claim a whole bunch of special things. Chip all of that away and they're no longer special. Fancy naming, magic coronation rituals, unique access to govt, their own tax laws...
I agree that they should not be, and would happily see them end up in a Leicester car park.
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Good luck with the "tease them into irrelevance" tactics. The moment the teasing gets a bit tart they'll drag you and your family away for re-education.
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Mockery is effective, long term.
Can't do it with Elizabeth Windsor, she's too old and respected to take the piss out of. The younger generations on the other hand... She knows this, which is why she's clinging on to the role aged 95.
Can't do it with Elizabeth Windsor, she's too old and respected to take the piss out of. The younger generations on the other hand... She knows this, which is why she's clinging on to the role aged 95.
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There was a time when it worked, though it was pretty divisive overall.
Not sure we'll be ready for a Chexit debate
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Ah yes, Henry Tudor, Henry Lancaster, George Hanover and Edward Capet would definitely agree that this is much more sensible.
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The only problem with that is when there is more than one with the same family name. Then we'd have Henry VII Tudor and Henry VIII Tudor, for example, following the model of some Byzantine emperors (and others). Or would that be Henry I Tudor and Henry II Tudor? Confusing.
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It's not confusing cos we'd also stop talking about them.
Got to stop seeing history through the lens of individuals. Remove a family history from school books and replace with history of the people.
Got to stop seeing history through the lens of individuals. Remove a family history from school books and replace with history of the people.
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