Owen Paterson
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Re: Owen Paterson
Ooh, stuff is happening….
The Graun’s politics live is reporting that genetic cul-de-sac Jacob Rees Mogg is announcing a partial climb down….
The Graun’s politics live is reporting that genetic cul-de-sac Jacob Rees Mogg is announcing a partial climb down….
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Oh come on, at least Paterson was allowed to vote on the amendment...
Any guesses as to how?
Have written* to my potted plant MP about this, although now she's vaccines minister she's very, very busy.
* Along with letters about the support for D. Cummings, proroguing parliament illegally, breaking international law, starving schoolkids and dumping sh.t in rivers. Reckon this will get the same response.
PS anyone else think that JRM should have his raging dandruff seen to?
Any guesses as to how?
Have written* to my potted plant MP about this, although now she's vaccines minister she's very, very busy.
* Along with letters about the support for D. Cummings, proroguing parliament illegally, breaking international law, starving schoolkids and dumping sh.t in rivers. Reckon this will get the same response.
PS anyone else think that JRM should have his raging dandruff seen to?
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It was wrong to conflate an individual case with reform of the system generally apparently.
So with the lobbying shyster’s suspension stand?
Or are they going to let him off and then row back on the other stuff - so the exception to the rules existed for just long enough for him to be exonerated?
So with the lobbying shyster’s suspension stand?
Or are they going to let him off and then row back on the other stuff - so the exception to the rules existed for just long enough for him to be exonerated?
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Because it didn’t surprise you and one thing this brazen is now totally normal.Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:55 pmI don't know why this bothers me as much as it does.
Its nothing I didn't know already.
It's nothing I didn't expect.
I know that the people of this country and the rules by which they should be governed are held in contempt by those who should uphold them.
There's nothing new here.
Why has it annoyed me so much?
Re: Owen Paterson
Exactly.Gfamily wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:42 amYou'd responded inside WFJ's quote.Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:22 amNot sure my reply isn’t showing there but here we go….
Yes and no - anything like this will reflect worse on the party in power than the opposition; it’s obviously disingenuous in the extreme but better than ignoring it or going the “Hero MP escapes socialist kangaroo court stitch up” route
My point is that for a paper to align itself with a party is a feature of our press, and that's up to them - but for a paper to align with a point of view that parliamentary democracy is the problem, then that is seriously dangerous.
The "they're all as bad as each other" is a particularly bad take for that very reason.
Also what Little Waster said.
Little waster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 amWhat annoys me is it such a sh.t hill for the Tories to choose to die on.
You could have sort of understood it if it was a near-hung Parliament and the loss of Paterson meant a temporary loss of majority or awkward by-election threatening to bring down the Government. But it isn’t.
Even in the worst case scenarios the Tories would still have a massive majority and would be probable favourites to win the by-election anyway so they could, for once, have taken the moral high ground and made an example of Paterson but they just can’t help themselves.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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I may be completely off here but it doesn't surprise me that they'd do it now. I think they feel pretty invincible, and if it doesn't work (which it looks like might be the case) then they haven't lost anything in the attempt. By the time the next election comes round most people will have forgotten about this and those that haven't weren't going to vote for them anyway.Little waster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 amWhat annoys me is it such a sh.t hill for the Tories to choose to die on.
You could have sort of understood it if it was a near-hung Parliament and the loss of Paterson meant a temporary loss of majority or awkward by-election threatening to bring down the Government. But it isn’t.
it's okay to say "I don't know"
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It's strange, then, that he (Arse-Smeg) voted for it.Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:59 amIt was wrong to conflate an individual case with reform of the system generally apparently.
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When he was challenged in the house as to whether he would be equally concerned if it was an opposition MP being considered, Reet-Smug said "The lady should know me well enough to know that I would" Except that he hasn'tTimW wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:16 pmIt's strange, then, that he (Arse-Smeg) voted for it.Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:59 amIt was wrong to conflate an individual case with reform of the system generally apparently.
And Kwasi Kwarteng was on the Today programme this morning and was challenged about the morality of the government and made a comment along the lines of "What's moral is keeping our manifesto commitments, such as getting Brexit done" - sadly the interviewer didn't challenge back on their increase of NI rates.
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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This gradual hubris will catch them out. It happened to Major's lot and it'll happen here.
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How much worse would it have to get before it would be socially acceptable, at least within a sizeable minority, to simply kill them?
Asking for a class.
Asking for a class.
We have the right to a clean, healthy, sustainable environment.
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I guess it would be pointless to start a petition calling for an in-depth investigation of the finances of every MP that voted for this?
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Meanwhile, the rest of the nations around the world that were, apparently, gagging for a trade deal with the UK look on and see a failed, corrupt and mendacious State.
Authoritarian dictators around the world must be looking on and wondering why they put in all the hard yards to gain power. When all you need to do is win a democratic mandate.
Authoritarian dictators around the world must be looking on and wondering why they put in all the hard yards to gain power. When all you need to do is win a democratic mandate.
Time for a big fat one.
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They're calling him, "Britain Tropical Trump."
We have the right to a clean, healthy, sustainable environment.
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And as an emigrant it's just yet more evidence of what a tinpot little shithole Britain has turned into in the last 10 years.Opti wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:47 pmMeanwhile, the rest of the nations around the world that were, apparently, gagging for a trade deal with the UK look on and see a failed, corrupt and mendacious State.
Authoritarian dictators around the world must be looking on and wondering why they put in all the hard yards to gain power. When all you need to do is win a democratic mandate.
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My view is almost certainly coloured by me not living in the UK any more.
Perspective innit.
Perspective innit.
Time for a big fat one.
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And he's gorn!
Says he wants a life outside of the cruel world that put an extra few hundred thousand quid in his pockets.
Says he wants a life outside of the cruel world that put an extra few hundred thousand quid in his pockets.
If you want me Steve, just Snapchat me yeah? You know how to Snapchap me doncha Steve? You just...
Re: Owen Paterson
Like the rest of us, even he could see that he was about to get thrown under the bus arriving ... well, not now.
Time for a big fat one.
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Should have resigned years ago.
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I thought that, but then why u-turn ?TimW wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:37 amIt could even make you think that some of them must need the system trashed quick before it's their turn.Little waster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 am
What annoys me is it such a sh.t hill for the Tories to choose to die on.
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Difficult to choose between a sh.t sandwich and a turd burger.noggins wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:24 pmI thought that, but then why u-turn ?TimW wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:37 amIt could even make you think that some of them must need the system trashed quick before it's their turn.Little waster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 am
What annoys me is it such a sh.t hill for the Tories to choose to die on.
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Re: Owen Paterson
So now he'll be able to get paid for arranging access to his mates without being required to declare it.
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Maybe they fear the Trump-ish "it doesn' matter what I do my supporters will still vote for me" effect doesn't operate quite as strongly as for Johnson as for Trump. Since they appear to be heading for a relatively early election, an entirely open and visible attempt to facilitate corruption and sleaze by parliamentarians might have been inconvenient, or at least a risk they didn't fell like testing, when they saw how well it was playing in the press. The existing rules are weak enough most of them can continue on the make to some degree.
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You need the right kind of electoral system though. In a lot of places 44% of the vote doesn't mean that you get a big majority in the house.
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I think it's this - core Tory vote is the Home Counties. Core Trump vote is rural poor. Very different demographics.