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Boris was an improvement over Cameron and May even with the obvious corruption.
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Changing Rooms was an obvious improvement over Tenko even with Lawrence Llewelyn-Bowen.
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You'll only have Labour to blame until you get rid of Starmer and all the shouty, mad alternatives
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On a tangentially related note, I’ve been working through a very good YouTube series “WW2 in Real Time” which every week gives the week’s developments in the war in the style of a 10-20 min news report for the corresponding week of the war as if it was happening in real time, with the knowing conceit that neither the presenter or audience nor how things are going to turn out.
It’s up to November 1942 and I’m up to about August 1942 (so Singapore, Burma and Tobruk have just fallen without any real fight, Rommel is in Egypt and the Japanese are on the borders of India and Australia) and it really underlines just how bad the war was going for the British against both Japan and Germany up to that point and how from the perspective of those living through it it must have seemed the British were being humiliated week after week.
Given Johnson’s Churchillian pretensions it seems apt.
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Had to duck out for a meeting but the other point is just how much of a sideshow the North Africa campaign really was compared to the meatgrinder of Eastern Front. So while the Brits are losing a few thousand men here and the Germans a couple hundred tanks there, squabbling over the same thousand square miles of desert; the Soviets and the Axis and burning through 100,000s of men and tens of thousands of vehicles, week in week out, in a battle stretching from the Artic Circle to the Black Sea.Little waster wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:54 am
It’s up to November 1942 and I’m up to about August 1942 (so Singapore, Burma and Tobruk have just fallen without any real fight, Rommel is in Egypt and the Japanese are on the borders of India and Australia) and it really underlines just how bad the war was going for the British against both Japan and Germany up to that point and how from the perspective of those living through it it must have seemed the British were being humiliated week after week.
Meanwhile in the Pacific Theatre the British are complete also-rans leaving the Japanese and Americans to duke it out on there own.
Which is all quite humbling given how tall WW2 looms in the British national psyche, especially with the likes of Johnson.
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They also have the complete "WW1 in Real Time" and miniseries covering the Interwar years, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Pearl Harbour etc. and "War Against Humanity" looking at the human cost of this all. It's very good for what is essentially a couple of guys in a shed.
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Rees Mogg would go down a storm in Rotherhamwarumich wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:34 pmOh no, given that Cameron was infinitely worse than Brown, May was infinitely worse than Cameron and Johnson is infinitely worse than May, I think we can expect either Dorries or Francois as PM next.Trinucleus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:08 pmBoris has just proposed a ban on MPs doing paid consultancies
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59311003
Leadership challenge it is then
This time next year we'll be at war with France.
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He's too tall for a pit prop. And they shut the mines.Trinucleus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:36 pmRees Mogg would go down a storm in Rotherhamwarumich wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:34 pmOh no, given that Cameron was infinitely worse than Brown, May was infinitely worse than Cameron and Johnson is infinitely worse than May, I think we can expect either Dorries or Francois as PM next.Trinucleus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:08 pmBoris has just proposed a ban on MPs doing paid consultancies
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59311003
Leadership challenge it is then
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You could use him to scrape out t'chimney.Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:00 pmHe's too tall for a pit prop. And they shut the mines.
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Please Miss, Cat ate m'homeworkFlammableFlower wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:52 amYep, that'd be it.tenchboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:28 pmIs this what you had in mind?FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:27 pmLooks likes there's quite a web of links between Paterson, Randox and others in the Tory party... I wonder who else can get drawn in...
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For f.cks sake what f.cking planet are you from?
Johnson is a lazy vain stupid piece of sh.t.
He is Cameron with every last shred of decency removed.
He is May with every ounce of dilligence taken away.
f.ck off and troll somewhere else.
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Johnson is a classicist, Cameron is a PPE dullard. Cameron pretended to be a eurosceptic to get past his consituency committee, Johnson got us out of the EU.
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Johnson pretended to be a eurosceptic in the referendum because he thought it would play well with his leadership ambitions. His levels of incompetence and self interest, and proven dishonesty [sacked by a newspaper for lying!] are more important to me than knowing some Latinsheldrake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:06 amJohnson is a classicist, Cameron is a PPE dullard. Cameron pretended to be a eurosceptic to get past his consituency committee, Johnson got us out of the EU.
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Note; I never said he was honest. I said he was better than Cameron and May despite his corruption. Whether or not he was pretending in the referendum, he followed through (and tbh I don't believe he was pretending because he was Eurosceptic for many years previously, including as a journalist).Trinucleus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:34 am
Johnson pretended to be a eurosceptic in the referendum because he thought it would play well with his leadership ambitions. His levels of incompetence and self interest, and proven dishonesty [sacked by a newspaper for lying!] are more important to me than knowing some Latin
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I should have known that my slightly unserious post would derail into a shouting match with sheldrake... for what it's worth I was using the completely objective measure of how much these people raise my blood pressure, I'm aware that other people will have different views otherwise Johnson wouldn't be PM right now. And let's leave out shouting at sheldrake, let him make his argument
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If Johnson, the fake self-serving Eurosceptic, was the best the Euroseptic faction of the tory party could come up, what does that say about the strength of the Brexit case?
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I tend to go with the "how comfortable am I looking at their hideous mugs" measure. Thatcher really has dropped down the list considerably over the last few years. I literally can't look at Johnson, I feel very nauseated by Cameron's balloon face but only a little bit revolted by May. I can manage looking at a photo of Thatcher for a few seconds these days.warumich wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:58 amI should have known that my slightly unserious post would derail into a shouting match with sheldrake... for what it's worth I was using the completely objective measure of how much these people raise my blood pressure, I'm aware that other people will have different views otherwise Johnson wouldn't be PM right now. And let's leave out shouting at sheldrake, let him make his argument
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This is what I use too. Also applies to royals and newsreaders.nezumi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:50 amI tend to go with the "how comfortable am I looking at their hideous mugs" measure. Thatcher really has dropped down the list considerably over the last few years. I literally can't look at Johnson, I feel very nauseated by Cameron's balloon face but only a little bit revolted by May. I can manage looking at a photo of Thatcher for a few seconds these days.warumich wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:58 amI should have known that my slightly unserious post would derail into a shouting match with sheldrake... for what it's worth I was using the completely objective measure of how much these people raise my blood pressure, I'm aware that other people will have different views otherwise Johnson wouldn't be PM right now. And let's leave out shouting at sheldrake, let him make his argument
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Probably important to clarify that they haven’t lost the minutes to that Randox meeting. They just don’t know where they are right now.tenchboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:38 pmPlease Miss, Cat ate m'homework
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FIFYOffTheRock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:06 pmProbably important to clarify that they haven’t lost the minutes to that Randox meeting. They’ve just not decided what they want them to say yet.
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This is a sodding internet forum.warumich wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:58 amI should have known that my slightly unserious post would derail into a shouting match with sheldrake... for what it's worth I was using the completely objective measure of how much these people raise my blood pressure, I'm aware that other people will have different views otherwise Johnson wouldn't be PM right now. And let's leave out shouting at sheldrake, let him make his argument
Every person could type nothing but c.nt at him in big red letters, and he would still be perfectly able to make his argument in as much detail as he wants.
But he doesn't want to because he doesn't have an argument. He's a dishonest sh.t-stirring little weasel. How much evidence of his character do you need?
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Johnson's EC correspondent "journalism" amounted to making stuff up and "chucking these rocks over the garden wall" because it gave him "a weird sense of power".
having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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In a filing cabinet with the report into Russian interference in British politics*.OffTheRock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:06 pmProbably important to clarify that they haven’t lost the minutes to that Randox meeting. They just don’t know where they are right now.
The filing cabinet is of course in a disused toilet in a basement with no light or stairs, behind a sign reading "Beware of the leopard"
* Remember that? Pity the MSM don't
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.
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Here's my conspiracy theory: there's barely any (competent) Russian interference in Western politics.JQH wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:23 pmIn a filing cabinet with the report into Russian interference in British politics*.OffTheRock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:06 pmProbably important to clarify that they haven’t lost the minutes to that Randox meeting. They just don’t know where they are right now.
The filing cabinet is of course in a disused toilet in a basement with no light or stairs, behind a sign reading "Beware of the leopard"
* Remember that? Pity the MSM don't
The media - traditional and social - is owned by Western billionaires. Political parties are largely funded by them. Even the brexit campaign's "dark money" seems to originate with westerners. Loads of Trump's debt was to Wall St funds owned by people like the Kochs.
I don't think there's any huge gap of malign manipulation that needs to be filled by spooky Muscovites.
The looming spectre (no pun intended) of supervillains with Slavic accents is an deliberately amplified by the real corrupt baddies, who are hiding in plain site. They probably hid that report because it said "the Russians didn't do much, it was all Murdoch and the Tory Party as usual".
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