REF2021 predictions
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REF2021 predictions
Oooh - the anticipation!
Will this exercise result, as usual, in vast wads of cash going to the usual suspects?
Or will the current order be overturned - leading to a much more equitable distribution of resources across the sector
Will this exercise result, as usual, in vast wads of cash going to the usual suspects?
Or will the current order be overturned - leading to a much more equitable distribution of resources across the sector
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Re: REF2021 predictions
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
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In the sociology of science its called the Matthew effect.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 1:16 pmFor whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Not holding my breath, and frankly I've got bigger worries right now than the REF (like in a B horror movie, the TEF appears to be resurrected now. Actually with the TEF it'll be even funnier to chart the contortions to make sure the RG comes out on top)
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Indeed. Leaked early results show that the exercise will reinforce the...Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 1:16 pmFor whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
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Re: REF2021 predictions
Rather strangely, one of my current employers, a post-92, has arranged a 'celebration event (their words) to hear the outcomes, which seems a bit of a risk if there hasn't been advance guidance.
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Universities got their own results on Monday, and the rest of the sector results on Tuesday - all under embargo.Allo V Psycho wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:15 amRather strangely, one of my current employers, a post-92, has arranged a 'celebration event (their words) to hear the outcomes, which seems a bit of a risk if there hasn't been advance guidance.
Could a hastily arranged "celebration event" invitation be seen as breaking the embargo?
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The West Midlands Express & Star has broken the embargo...
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/edu ... -research/
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/edu ... -research/
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Nah, we've had a celebration event planned for yonks. Every uni will have something to celebrate/spin, even if it's along the lines of "we came in the top 3 for subject x amongst our comparator universities*". Just watch how the bumpf under everyone's** signatures will change over the next few weeks.bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:56 pmUniversities got their own results on Monday, and the rest of the sector results on Tuesday - all under embargo.
Could a hastily arranged "celebration event" invitation be seen as breaking the embargo?
* of which there are only 4.
** well, academics might be able to refuse the shameless self promotion but spare a thought for the poor professional services.
Re: REF2021 predictions
what the duck is this thread about?
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I’m not sure a reference to Squids helps me understand. Is it to do with funding?FairySmall wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:48 pmThe REF2021 is the Research Excellence Framework, with results released tomorrow in err... 2022. It's like Squid Game for universities.
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Or just copious production of ink?Grumble wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:51 pmI’m not sure a reference to Squids helps me understand. Is it to do with funding?FairySmall wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:48 pmThe REF2021 is the Research Excellence Framework, with results released tomorrow in err... 2022. It's like Squid Game for universities.
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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Sorry for being flippant. Yes, it's to do with funding. It's how the government (via the research funders) allocates the billions for research that is given to unis as a big lump sum. There's a separate pot of money that unis/academics apply for research grants from but that's a whole other kettle of fish.
It's a mammoth exercise every 7ish years involving all kinds of data and evidence gathering, and various convuluted schemes by unis to game the system. And in the end the results are pretty much the same each time. Bureaucracy eh?
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It's a mark of academic solidarity with falsely imprisoned (now released) Brazilian presidential candidates. Lulas livres!Grumble wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:51 pmI’m not sure a reference to Squids helps me understand. Is it to do with funding?FairySmall wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:48 pmThe REF2021 is the Research Excellence Framework, with results released tomorrow in err... 2022. It's like Squid Game for universities.
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Introduced in 1986 by the Thatcher government - under the leadership of Sir Henry Peter Francis Swinnerton-Dyer, 16th Baronet, KBE, FRS - back then it was called the Research Assessment Exercise (RAE).
Funny thing is - back in 1981 Swinnerton-Dyer wrote this...
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v03/n21 ... -education
Funny thing is - back in 1981 Swinnerton-Dyer wrote this...
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v03/n21 ... -education
Then he went on to develop a system which explicitly contribution to just such a division!The two major concerns of any university are teaching and research. It is not possible to divide up the expenditure of a university explicitly between teaching and research, saying that this item is for teaching and that item is for research.
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Well, my institution's attempt to game play along with the system for the Italian equivalent, which involved some sort of algorithm for choosing which articles of each of us should be considered, seems not to have worked particularly well...
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