Oh, I'm not suggesting to campaign on it... just get in then do it.
Starmer
Re: Starmer
You can't polish a turd...
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
Re: Starmer
- El Pollo Diablo
- Stummy Beige
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:41 pm
- Location: FBPE
Re: Starmer
Most people don't pay attention and don't notice being lied to
If truth is many-sided, mendacity is many-tongued
Re: Starmer
Cue B-roll footage of Boris Johnson waving with the caption "80 seat majority".El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:15 pmMost people don't pay attention and don't notice being lied to
Re: Starmer
monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:17 pmSo go into an election saying they'll not do much, then do a lot? That sort of thing gets noticed. (Most) People aren't stupid[citation needed] and don't like being lied to[citation needed].
Re: Starmer
No, I just think Labour’s strategy is to be led by public opinion rather than try to lead it. I’m sure most of the leadership know that Brexit is sh.t and the only way to improve it is to start undoing it, but they judge that trying to campaign for that at the moment is still too hazardous, so they’re going to sit and wait for the mood to turn against it to the point where starting to undo it is overwhelmingly popular.
I think it’s sh.t that that’s where we find ourselves and I honestly don’t know whether they’re right about the toxicity of daring to stand up and say so, but I’m pretty sure that it’s easy to take a 60:40 poll lead for ‘it was a bad idea’ and wishfully think it into a mass desire for reopening the whole hideous debate - the other side can still call up some heavy artillery if they want to, and I wouldn’t be sure how well our defences would cope. I do think the mood might see a step change once the Conservatives finally get kicked out though.
Move-a… side, and let the mango through… let the mango through
Re: Starmer
So, odds on Starmer being replaced by Andy Burnham before the next election?
where once I used to scintillate
now I sin till ten past three
now I sin till ten past three
- discovolante
- Light of Blast
- Posts: 4204
- Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:10 pm
Re: Starmer
Well Burnham has previously said he has no plans to return to Westminster. He might change his mind I guess but if I was him I'd probably just want to stick to what I was doing, without having to travel to London all the time if nothing else. But then I'm just a lazy person and not a weird politician.
To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave.
- Bird on a Fire
- Princess POW
- Posts: 10142
- Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:05 pm
- Location: Portugal
Re: Starmer
Starmer is polling extremely well with 2029 Tory voters who are now thinking about Labour -he outperforms either Tory candidate.
He might be the perfect candidate for the specific swing voters Labour needs.
He might be the perfect candidate for the specific swing voters Labour needs.
We have the right to a clean, healthy, sustainable environment.
Re: Starmer
If the Tories pick Truss as expected, or even if they pick Sunak, Starmer is going to suddenly appear like Mr Charisma in comparison.
Re: Starmer
So he’s looking good for a win in 2034 then?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:47 pmStarmer is polling extremely well with 2029 Tory voters
Seriously though, I find it as depressing as anyone that he can’t tell me what I want to hear, but pragmatically the only way to really steer politics in this country in the right direction remains to persuade Labour to endorse PR then get Labour into power. After that you can all do what the f.ck you want.
Move-a… side, and let the mango through… let the mango through
Re: Starmer
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
- discovolante
- Light of Blast
- Posts: 4204
- Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:10 pm
Re: Starmer
Yes, Starmer is a lawyer who highly values due process and procedure, which is also why he rarely called for tory ministers to resign when they did dodgy stuff.jimbob wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:47 pmhttps://youtu.be/fUlzIKruFkw
Interesting take on Starmer by James O'Brien
To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave.
- snoozeofreason
- Snowbonk
- Posts: 522
- Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:22 pm
Re: Starmer
At the risk of giving one of my hobby horses another trot round the paddock, his past as a lawyer - and particularly as former head of the DPP - does make it all the more frustrating that he has so little of substance to say about the crisis in the criminal justice system.discovolante wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:00 amYes, Starmer is a lawyer who highly values due process and procedure, which is also why he rarely called for tory ministers to resign when they did dodgy stuff.jimbob wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:47 pmhttps://youtu.be/fUlzIKruFkw
Interesting take on Starmer by James O'Brien
In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them. The human body was knocked up pretty late on the Friday afternoon, with a deadline looming. How well do you expect it to work?
Re: Starmer
An MRP poll is giving Labour a 314 seat majority - clicky. The percentages are in line with traditional polling.
- discovolante
- Light of Blast
- Posts: 4204
- Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:10 pm
Re: Starmer
What is this shite? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65079772
To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave.
Re: Starmer
NOx-ious policy setting.discovolante wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:30 pmWhat is this shite? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65079772
Re: Starmer
Gotta make old people vote for them again.
Re: Starmer
What’s so hard about accepting expert suggestions?
where once I used to scintillate
now I sin till ten past three
now I sin till ten past three
Re: Starmer
Because people who know what they're talking about rarely agree with bigoted prejudices?
"My interest is in the future, because I'm going to spend the rest of my life there"
Re: Starmer
But why the f.ck isn't Labour calling this out as a blatant case of Tories being a "clanging bell" - signifying nothing.
Better that than...
If 'litter; is a driver, we would be better cracking down on people who leave little bags of dogshit all over the place.Labour backed the plans to ban the sale of nitrous oxide. Shadow culture secretary Lucy Powell said its use "causes a huge amount of littering disruption and anti-social behaviour".
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
Re: Starmer
Steve Rolles has been pointing out on Twitter that sale for consumption is illegal, littering is illegal, and driving under the influence is illegal; all the concerns that people are raising can already be dealt with under existing legislation. His suggestion was "Maybe deploy existing laws more effectively (as the ACMD have suggested) rather than just doubling the max prison sentence under the MDA?"
It's just performative "tough on crime" b.llsh.t innit. Or dogshit. One of the two.
Re: Starmer
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_OtherGfamily wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:33 pmNOx-ious policy setting.discovolante wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:30 pmWhat is this shite? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65079772
The rest is worth reading tooA minister who has admitted to using cocaine being sent out to announce a clampdown on laughing gas. Totally normal. A home secretary who can’t be trusted to stay on message. Totally normal. A government prepared to break international law by deporting refugees. Totally normal. An environment secretary permanently at war with herself and the farming community. Totally normal. A chancellor unbothered by a 4% hit to GDP from Brexit. Totally normal. A prime minister who finds all the above totally normal. Totally normal.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation